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TFI Live - Real Time Transport Planner App

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    For tracking I find bustimes.org the best


    For pdf schedules Dublin Bus or Go Ahead websites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The PDF timetables for the C Spine routes are long since out of date (the NTA haven’t bothered updating them).

    The correct timetables are on bustimes.org



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Thank you - that explains a lot! I got the pdfs from the DB bus website. Ridiculous that official information provided to customers is inaccurate.

    If a Sat/Sun services is advertised as duringthe current period, where do the operators and/or NTA actually expect customers to be getting their information? Bustimes looks like a great resource - thanks for the suggestions above - but it isn't official. Where are the official accurate timetables?? Is the TFI app the official source of supposedly accurate info?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Bustimes is pulling the information from the NTA server. It's the only place where you can get the full accurate timetable in one place now for routes that have been "BusConnected".

    The TFI app should show the accurate times in the journey planner, and glancing at them both they are displaying the current Saturday timetables.

    I suspect this is another example of the NTA biting off more than it can chew.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I’d also recommend the Transit App.

    It has accurate real time info and bus positioning like the excellent bustimes.org app, but a nicer mobile oriented app with journey planning too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    There appears to be no live tracking on any site or app today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,222 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Its worse than no tracking: BusTimes is showing a bunch of Cork buses rattling around Galway!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    One of the few days where services are out of ordinary and when real time information is particularly needed, the entire thing falls down. This happens every time there's unusual timetabling like around Christmas or marathon day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No that's not quite true.

    The system is actually switched off on St. Patrick's Day and the day of the marathon because it is simply impossible to deliver predictive times, due to the rolling nature of the diversions and the unpredictability of the journey times as a result of the congestion and diversions.

    You have to remember how the RTPI system works. Every individual departure has a stop-by-stop timetable drawn up by the schedulers, based on historic journey times. The system then takes the live GPS location of the buses, and then applies the stop-by-stop timetable appropriate to that departure to the live location of the bus to generate predictive times all along the rest of the route.

    It just simply isn't possible to do that when you have massive one-off disruption, lengthy diversions and indeed rolling road closures at the direction of An Garda Síochána, such as on St. Patrick's Day or the day of the marathon, which when combined with the fluidity of the traffic congestion means that the service is just not predictable, thus meaning that you can't apply predictive schedules.

    You'd have to come up with individual schedules for every departure for those specific days in any case, which inevitably would end up being cast aside, as the situation on the ground inevitably trumps any schedules that could be created.

    While I agree that it is frustrating, it's one of those situations where the system just cannot function.

    What's happened today is different - there seems to have been an IT problem at the NTA in terms of output of the vehicle locations and predictive to the apps and that's meant that there has been no live RTPI.

    I'm also not sure why you think services are out of the ordinary today? It was a normal Sunday schedule today.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    No mention on DB website that services are finishing up early tonight. Even though they normally finish around 10 on NYE. I remember a few years ago they finished early on NYE with no mention on DB website apparently it due to some union agreement.

    Could never understand why they finished early on NYE when a full service runs on New Year's day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I don't think there is an early finish tonight? And the Nitelink and 24h services are due to operate.

    Thankfully the tracking returned after a few hours today.

    As for the RTPI being switched off on St Patrick's Day and for the marathon - I get that no meaningful scheduling can take place on such days, but surely there would be benefit in being able to live track the bus regardless, and draw your own conclusions as to whether or when it may arrive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    There is, from what I can see, no information online about any form of early finish tonight...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Apologies - my mistake re the early finish. I've corrected my earlier post.

    I was thinking of previous years when it was 22:00 on New Years Eve - one gets conditioned to these things when it's been like that for almost all of my adult life. We have made some progress!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Yes I'd agree - I think if people could still see where buses physically are then that would be helpful, but beyond that is just not realistic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭AX636


    DB,Last bus is 22:00 but its upto driver's if the want to stay on for overtime




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    If that's the case then it's an absolute disgrace it hasn't been communicated to the public!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    But they have actually specfied the 24h services are running - it's not like it's just the last services at 23.00 that will be missed.

    I mean it's a shame if buses end early on a big night out, but so long as it is advertised them fair enough. To actually lie about is just totally unacceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭thomil


    Well, at least that explains why the 220 has been so unreliable lately...

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭AX636




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    App showing "no live departures" and "this service does not run on specific date" for all Limerick city buses today.

    That's obviously it true as it is Sunday service today. Comes across as either laziness or basic incompetence with a computer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭markpb


    The TFI Live App doesn’t seem to be picking up Luas realtime data well at all. It showed a northbound departure from my Green line stop at 12:08 which was actually at 12:24. The tram I’m on isn’t showing in the app and it says the next one is at 12:34 which doesn’t match the platform displays at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Buses finished up about 8-9pm on new year's eve as well without any public notice, complete disgrace



  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭The Mathematician


    This is really a question about all apps, not just the TFI one.

    On both the TFI app and Bustimes, the route of the S4 is shown entering/exiting UCD through the Richview-Newstead gate The S4 is actually using this route, but if you look at the tracking, then the buses are shown as going straight at the roundabout and using the Clonskeagh gate. These are actual buses not phantom buses (I was just there).

    I always thought that the tracking was using GPS, but there is obviously something else going on here. Has anyone any idea of what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It could be a GPS glitch - they do happen. The buses are tracked using GPS.

    Similarly southbound 14s are shown as tracking via Oak Road near Donnycarney Church rather than staying on Collins Avenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭markpb


    The route shown in apps is defined in the data feed from the NTA, it's not based on the actual location of the buses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭The Mathematician


    Perhaps it is a GPS glitch, next time I am there I will check if the GPS on my phione shows my correct location.

    I was thinking that there might be a route programmed in the system somewhere (not the one shown on the apps) and buses are shown going along this route even if the GPS shows they aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The location of a bus is shown based on GPS, and in both of the examples above when the bus is at those locations they appear in the wrong place.

    The routes are correctly shown on the maps in the apps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    In that instance, the NTA dictated that the S4 is routed via the Newstead gate. The 4 times I've taken it so far, the driver has done that route. But I have heard that some drivers are unhappy with that routing due to the tightness of it, so they skip that section and go straight out the Clonskeagh Gate. That's most likely why some buses track as going straight at the roundabout.

    To be honest I wouldn't blame them, it's a wild routing. Drivers leaving UCD have to go around the roundabout, serve the sports centre bus layby (even if no passengers are boarding/alighting), then go back around the roundabout once more to go to the turn for the Richmond exit. Complete waste of time imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭The Mathematician


    No, that is not the reason (at least in this case), I was actually there, the bus went one way and the tracker showed it going another.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No I think you’re getting the wrong end of the stick. The point is that the OP was physically on the bus and looking at the app when it said that the bus was on the road towards the Clonskeagh gate.

    I have also been on an S4 that physically was using the Newstead gate but the GPS put it as being on the road towards the Clonskeagh gate.

    It happens to every S4, like the 14 at Oak Road - it must be a GPS glitch.

    As to your other point, while I’d sympathise with the drivers, taking the Clonskeagh gate would be a big no-no as it would mean missing a stop on Clonskeagh Road.

    The Clonskeagh gate is closed from Midnight to 07:00, which would cause problems in the early mornings,while Newstead is open 24/7.

    They need to add another stop at the sports centre so that there is one for each direction. They implemented the route without really thinking of the logistics.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭p_haugh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Any reason Dublin Bus GPS location has been down the last 2 days? Go Ahead's is working fine. Can't find any tweet on DB or TFI acknowledging it. So shoddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Thanks. I came on here to ask about this. It's not working on bustimes.org either so not an app issue I guess. I think it was happening last week as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Ah, I thought it was an issue with bustimes.org, but guess not. No Dublin Bus buses are showing on the map, but Go-Aheads' and Bus Eireanns' are.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Dublin Bus seems to be tracking again on some buses as of today, but all buses tracking seem to be under new tracking IDs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Lightleader78


    Is anyone else having trouble to plan a trip on the TFI live app? Within the last few weeks I have tried to do plan a trip on the app, but it is it can not do it. I have be able to do it last year, what has changed on the app?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    And no tracking once again on DB services this morning. This issue is far too frequent in recent times. DB say it's nothing to do with them. TFI say it's down to the operator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    There always seems to be an outage like this very soon after a system update. And there was an update yesterday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It’s back up and running again now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭VG31


    The live bus location is available in Google Maps now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Looks good

    Even shows the locations of all busses for each route due to serve a stop!

    The issue of services showing their full duty for the day rather than just the route map for that particular service is still present however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Dublin Bus tracking down most of the day again, Go Ahead working grand. Any reason one company can manage to keep theirs working whilst other company can't? very frustrating that it takes so long to sort it out too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    It's not showing for me. Are you on Android or iPhone, or other?..



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭AX636


    Get the transit app, it was working prefect on this while it was down on TFI app



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No it wasn’t unfortunately.

    It was Dublin Bus’ own live tracking that was down for most of Monday.

    All of the apps (including Transit) were consequently displaying scheduled times for most of the day rather than live data until Dublin Bus did a reboot of their system in the early evening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭AX636


    Ah right, that's weird I swore it was working for me obviously not 🤦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭p_haugh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Dublin Bus live vehicle tracking not working all day. Vehicles are appearing on bustimes map, but not assigned to routes so fairly pointless. Go Ahead working fine as usual.

    This seems to happen at least once a month, which is fairly shoddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,254 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Can't understand how if this app is both inclusive and independent of each transport provider why an integration for so called bus connects isn't being used across the board.

    Surely that's what an app like this should be being used for, I myself miss countless Luas from broombridge every month due to the 40e running late with it being the shuttle bus service for the Luas it's incredibly frustrating that the service isn't synchronised more efficiently.



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