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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Public interest story and under an entirely different jurisdiction. Didn't even relate to an active criminal investigation. It was simply investigative journalism.


    The Gardai don't generally name people until they're charged, it's related to a constitutional right to privacy. The Gardai disclosing such information would also be illegal.





  • Registered Users Posts: 9,562 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Are you for real? Unless you mean that they're not so much left "leaning" as avowed disciples of the left which of course is accurate. There was even a very recent study, widely reported, which showed that mainstream journalists were - by their own admission - far more left oriented than the general population.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,684 ✭✭✭whippet


    Brand wasn't charged with anything when the newspaper went after him ... they reported based on sources they had received. Off the back of these claims the police got involved then. Brand also had the opportunity for a reply (made a ham fisted attempt of it) .... so you are comparing apples and oranges



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭francois




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    This guy but also most journalists value being a detached observer. Pretty sure such a leaning has almost always been the case in Ireland and other countries too tbh.




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah. There certainly is a 'left bias' in people who are well educated, informed and open minded.

    But this doesn't mean that their journalism is politically skewed to the left.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    What about him?

    was he a suspect in Ireland for a crime here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Watch this fella off....admiring himself in the mirror!!


    We have only had pro establishment media in this country, just like before when the Church were the cultural authority, this was reflected in those "well educated, informed and open minded" journalists that worked in media at that time!!! Which allowed them to ignore Church Sex abuse scandals, political corruption scandals for decades.

    Google Joe McAnthony if you want to see how far the rot in Irish "journalism" goes!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    There certainly is a left bias amongst those who graduate with humanities degrees. That’s incontestable. Whether that background positions them as ‘well educated, informed, and open minded’ is debatable.

    Those in STEM and hard science streams tend to have quite different outlooks. I guess the focus on logic and operating in a data driven manner, engenders significantly different results.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    There is a left leaning in people who live comfortable lives, and for whom "being left" has no discernable impact but looks good.

    Its like climate change, all in favour of it until it impacts them directly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Most journalists in the Irish media are little more than press release recyclers. Some of the better ones end up being poached for Public Relations jobs. Among those who remain, that kind of sustained mediocrity encourages a self-protective groupthink. Investigative journalists are a different breed entirely. The good ones like Joe MacAnthony (and there are still some in the Irish media) tend to make the timeservers and press release recyclers look bad.

    Investigative journalism in Ireland has the odds are stacked against it from the defamation legislation to the publications dependent on government hand-outs and advertising. The failing Irish print media simply cannot afford to upset the large advertisers. Gript has its market and it may even cover stories that the other publications do not cover. Every publication has its own agenda and political stance and Gript is no different. It is funny to see it upsetting people who think that they are well educated and broadminded. They completely miss the importance of having diversity in the media. Voltaire would probably be considered "Far Right" by some of them.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A major difference between STEM and the Humanities is that STEM is typically evidence-based where as the Humanities, beyond the basics, tend to be based on opinion. Those with a STEM background are more likely to want proof rather than simply relying on faith.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Agreed.

    It’s important to remember the background from which our journalistic cohort originates..



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Well we are entitled to know if they are Irish or a non national.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Are we? Not sure what difference nationality is, if someone is an offender, then they are an offender.

    We definitely are not entitled to know anything until they are charged and before the court.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,491 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    How much influence does the media/journalists have anyway? very few to none under 30 consume traditional media.

    It is fascinating how an 'enemy' can be constructed out of vague notions of a woke left media/ feminists/D4/anti-rural/ what evey your having you self mishmash.

    On the other hand, knowledge isn't the answer, as someone once said... to Paraphrase... there is this notion in some intellectual circles that evil is a kind of error: that if you get more knowledge you won’t commit the error. 

    Those who believe in a woke left media don't care about facts or naive notions of trusted sources of information, they want to believe in what they believe about the work left, government, immigrants, travelers, etc. The more interesting question is why they want to believe in the first place.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    A recent example of "left leaning" thought within Irish media would be the reporting of the hosting of videos taken of the murder in Blanchardstown on Christmas eve on X/Twitter.

    The meat of the incident and it's implications for Irish society took a backseat to Elon Musk allowing the videos to be shared on X/Twitter which is a concern that would resonate with those who would self identify as "left leaning".

    Whilst the fact that the videos should not be circulated is valid, the real outrage seemed to be aimed at X/Twitter rather than our deranged societal problems caused by an overly lenient criminal justice system which has for too long taken a softly softly approach to dealing with violent crime leaving sociopathic offenders free to roam our streets with impunity with the agency to carry out "hits" in crowded restaurants whenever they feel the urge takes them.

    A broader discussion is required about how we as a society deal with this scourge, but the Irish media decided to forego that exercise and instead lay the outrage of the nation at the feet of a company who don't give a damn one way or another.

    This violence will continue, and whether or not videos are hosted on a social media platform is not the crux of the issue and shouldn't be presented as such.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,491 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    You have a touching faith in the mainstream media to influence or shape opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There's a feedback loop within the "mainstream" Irish media and it hates competition. Politicians release press releases and feed gossip to journalists that will appeal to their audiences. This gets published and other politicians and people read it and believe it. That's how the "mainstream" media works. Now, take Gript and some of the same feedback loops are present in that it too runs stories that appeal to its audience. The "mainstream" media also tries to crowd out any competing opinions. This is why publications like OnTheDitch and Gript are often represented as being non-publications by those in the "mainstream" media despite breaking stories that are sometimes later carried by other publications and news organisations.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,965 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Don't think social media coverage was presented as the crux of the issue by any media. What articles are you talking about?

    Anyway, they've charged someone with murder.

    https://x.com/mickthehack/status/1741025420500406478?s=46&t=3l1OhjvjsuAh4w9RMjlH8g

    How are you managing to deal with the uncertainty of not knowing where the attacker is from @Galwayguy35 ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Thanks for taking the time to condescend to me.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,491 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I'm not at all but no one is adressing the fact that vert few under 30 consume mainstream media, online self selected media is far has far more influence on opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The median age in Ireland is 38 which doesn't lend much credence to the your opinion about under 30's being the driving force behind consumption of media.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,491 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    You seem to believe that those consuming Irish media would be shocked if they knew an amount of mainstream news media is made up of press releases, something like 50% of the population in Ireland have 3rd level education they know how to read the media.

    In the UK someone could pick up The Telegraph or The Gaurdian depending on your tastes or opinion we never had or have that here, my theory is our population is too small.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,562 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Good post, especially your final paragraph - we see plenty of "left leaning" posters here who scream and wail at the very mention of Gript and indeed for whom a story can instantly be dismissed without reading solely on the basis of it being in Gript. I subscribe to Gript, and I'm sure there's people here who would consider me little different from Hitler for doing so. Yet, I also subscribe to the Irish Times, Irish Examiner (both of which I'd consider hard left), and the UK Times. I'm sure this confuses the supposed "liberals" here, but it's always good to read a spectrum of opinion, even if you don't always agree with it, or even like it.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




  • Registered Users Posts: 21,009 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    it really is , i cant escape derek bligh and co on x



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Despite trying to appear moderate, a lot of the posters bigging up grift are actually connected to it or the far right. It's not hard to figure out. I won't give anything away but anonymity online is an illusion of sorts, the more you write online.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you think Gript is centrist, and the Irish times is 'hard left' then you are clearly biased towards the right.

    What do you consider the Guardian to be?

    When was the last time the Irish times promoted nationalisation of assets or increased unionisation, or higher minimun wages or more workers protections, or lower retirement ages or shorter working weeks, or the end of private education or free public transport or any of the more social democratic policies that we see in more left wing parts of the EU but not in Ireland?

    The Irish times is fully pro capitalism and is 'centre right' economically and 'center left' socially. If you think it's 'hard left' then you can subscribe to as many publications you like, but you have no idea what you're talking about

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