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NCT retest records and protocol

  • 11-09-2023 8:11pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭


    If I fail to bring my car for its €28 retest within the 30 day period and have to get it fully tested again at a later date for €55, do they take into account the issues it failed on previously, as in, are the issues recorded and brought to the attention of the next inspector or is the slate wiped clean with the possibility that the next inspector might not consider them to be issues?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    No.

    A full retest is just that. The car will be tested from front to back again with no regard to previous issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Really? I was under the impression that they keep a record of the cars nct history. For example, my dad brought his car one time and the inspector said there was a bit of rust underneath that wasn’t too bad but said that he would leave a note on the system for the next inspector to check it the next time it was getting nct’d.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    From personal experience I know that the commercial vehicle testing system holds all the previous test data for the vehicle and tester can see it. But there is nothing to prompt them to check for previous issues when they are doing new test (not a retest). I presumed the NCT is the same.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Yes, the info is available to the tester (if they want it and look it up) but every test on a vehicle is done according to a strict testing protocol. Previous issues are not taken into account unless it is a retest and they are checking that particular failure point(s).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    I see what yous are saying. It's up to them whether they want to check the record but they don't have to. Also, they will not be alerted if a previous test was failed with the issues not being rectified and the car not passing a subsequent retest. I only ask because the inspector seemed to put my car through the ringer and the issues he failed it on seem quite petty but are quite expensive to fix. I would rather take my chances and let the retest period expire, book another full test and hopefully get someone more reasonable next time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Can't think of a 'petty' issue that is expensive to fix.

    Perhaps you could elaborate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Tiny bit of superficial rust underneath that needs to be cut out and patched up with a specific type of weld.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Superficial rust would not be a failure, in my experience. The only time I have ever failed for rust was when there was a perforation around a structural component (suspension support, chassis leg, jacking points or subframe). Certainly not petty.

    @Orlak2410 Where is the rust that they found?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    It's on the door sill. I looked at it and there's a little bit of rust all around the door sills, doesn't look any worse in the section where he failed me on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    The door sill is a structural component of the body shell and it sounds like both of yours are starting to go. If it is rusting there, it is likely to be from the inside out and will need to be cut out, the remaining metal treated and new metal put in. You can certainly wait for the retest period of 28 days to expire and throw it through again but the chances of a pass will be low. If you intend to keep the car long term get it fixed, as rust does not magically disappear or get better over time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Yeah I get what you're saying but after some research online for prices, I could be looking at €100-200 for rust repair. Then theres another small thing that might cost €50 max. Then the €28 retest fee and I could be looking at €200-300. If the car passes the nct, it might be worth €400-500. That's why I'm willing to take the chance putting it through a full test again in the hope that it might pass. In which case, I'll get another year or so out of it but if not, I'm only an extra €55 into it and I can scrap it then and get something else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    So you're betting €55 at 4/1 that it will pass the test. Makes no sense.

    At those odds, I'd bin it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    How is it 4/1? It passed no problem this time last year and I've only put an extra 2000 miles on it since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    You're betting €55 against a cost of €250 (nearer 5/1, actually) that your car hasn't deteriorated in a year and that the next guy won't fail it. I wouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭User1998


    If it’s just superficial rust then why not fix it yourself for free? Or buy a €20 rust repair kit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The rust will be noted on the system as a failure so they will look for it either in a retest or full test. The other tester noted rust on the car so the next time it's tested that tester will make sure it hasn't got worse.

    If the rest of the car passed then IMO it's silly not to spend €300 on fixing the car as there's zero chance of getting anything decent for €500, it can easily fail for something much more expensive if you put it in for a full test instead of a retest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Bangernomics - for €250 to €300 you have a car on the road. That money wouldn't go far towards a replacment car that might have a short time left on its NCT. It's not a question of how much it costs to fix but how much it would cost to replace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    It looks superficial but he's saying it needs to be cut out and patched up using a specific type of weld.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Thats what I was thinking, obviously I'm not the inky person that has considered doing this so they're obviously wise to it. That's very true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    That's true also. I paid 900 for it in January 2022. Have already spent about 250 on it so far. Would just hate to spend another 200-300 on it and then something major goes in the next few months. Also, it's a 2001 car so wouldn't have a hope of selling it as no insurance companies would consider it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Any car you buy is a gamble and especially at the lower end of the market. You'll have a car with 1 years NCT for €5600 in repairs, you're looking at €1,500+ for a car with NCT that you'll have to most likely spend more money on.

    Don't listen to the BS on insurance companies not insuring old car. Old cars can be insured, you did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Pretty much in the same boat. By the time I get brake disks and pads done and four tyres it costs near what I paid for my car a few years ago, but they're wear items and I would have the same cost on a replacement car.

    As long as the car keeps running reliably it makes sense to keep it.

    I know what essential jobs have been done over the last few years e.g. timing belt and water pump. Replacing it with something newer could be buying unknown problems.

    You could spend €2K to €3K on a replacement and still have that need repairs costing a few hundred euro in a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Yeah it's hard to buy a car with even a few months nct for less than 1500 as you say. My car had 6 months nct left on it when I bought it. It ain't pretty but it hasn't given me any trouble until now, and the trouble it's giving isn't even major. Another inspector probably would have overlooked it. My inspector was underneath it going around the perimeter banging his fists every few inches. Never seen an inspector do that before, usually they just look with their torch. I think some just see an old car and feel they have to fail it on something because of its age.

    Well there is some truth to it. Most have a 10, 15 or even 20 year rule. AXA are the only ones I have come across who don't have an age rule per se but they really do make you pay for that discretion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Yeah like they're things I wouldn't mind fixing because they're important. That's true, a lot of garages can claim a timing belt, clutch or whatever has been done recently but I find a lot of the time, there's no evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    They will look hard if they see rust, they bang to see how bad the rust is. The reason why you've never seen an inspector do it before is because you've never presented cars with bad rust. I've had the mechanic call another over to look at my car after he'd spend ages underneath, car passed.

    Try getting fully comp quotes and never value a car below €5k. I've been getting quotes for my mothers 2003 car with no issues for years. One companies quote was over €2k for TPO, fully comp was ~€400.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Yeah sometimes that can happen where you feel you're going to fail because they're at it for ages and then they call their buddy over but then you end up passing. However, I just got the impression that this guy was overzealous...not very friendly either. I'm not sure if they're proper mechanics really. I know any mechanic I've brought my cars to for repairs over the years never seem to have much time for nct inspectors or their expertise.

    Yeah fully comp are cheaper most of the time and I don't understand why since they have to fix your car too if anything happens. I'm not sure about valuing a car at 5k minimum. I know to qualify for fully comp, a car has to be over a certain value anyway but presumably the more it's valued over that minimum value, the more expensive the premium will be because the car will be more expensive to repair if anything happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    UPDATE

    I brought the car back for another full NCT just before Xmas.

    The previous test several months ago was not taken into consideration. However, the car failed again but for different reasons.

    The first time it failed on rust underneath, this time it did not fail on rust whatsoever. Presumably rust can only get worse over time, not better.

    Just goes to show how subjective the whole process is, really does depend on who you get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭User1998


    So you would have been better off just fixing the rust and getting a years NCT then? Reading back I’m not sure why you made such a big deal of this. Your now another €55 down plus €28 for a retest plus the cost of repairs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Not really because the rust would have cost a lot more to fix than what was found in the most recent test. I would have had to pay the €28 either way. It is a big deal when inspectors are given too much discretion. What was found by one inspector was not found or overlooked by another and that is not fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭9935452


    Out of curiosity whats wrong with it now and how much will it cost to fix.

    The visuals when borderline are at their discretion .

    But cars can fail for some stupid ones.

    2 years ago my 09 A4 failed on the handbrake. They told me there was no handbrake to start with but i was lucky that they got the rhs going. But the Lhs wasnt working at all. The feedback/result was practically zero.

    The car has an electric handbrake.no faults on the dash, scanned for faults.

    No faults in the computer. Jacked up the car and both sides were working.

    Rebooked the nct for a different centre and it passed,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    The alternative to this is no discretion exercised and no leeway given on anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    It failed on a worn out track rod end dust cover and moisture in the indicator lamps. Cost me 100 for the dust cover and I dried out the lamps myself.

    So there's further proof that they're given too much discretion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Personally I'd prefer that. For too long 'discretion' has been abused. People are people. They may be having a bad day, they may not like the look of you or maybe they do like the look of you. Either way, it's not fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭User1998


    Who charged you €100 for a dust cover? They are €5 in motor factors. Are you sure they didn’t replace the whole track rod end?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Im not sure what he did tbh. It was for an old 2002 nissan almera, maybe they're dearer for them and then when you factor in labour etc.



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