Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

October 7th was a large scale one off terrorist attack on the Israeli side of the border with Gaza - hardly an attempt to topple the Israeli state or government.

It’s not so much support as understanding why from their perspective they want to be rid of Hamas on their doorstep.

We can all understand that, no one would want hamas on their doorstep. 130 countries didn't vote for an immediate ceasefire in the UN because they don't support Israel they just think Israel is too reckless in the killing of women and children and want aid to reach Gaza to save innocent lives. Eventually Israel and the supporters of its actions here will have to consider thst perhaps the majority of the world being against their actions is not antisemitism and is to do with the results of its actions.

Israel wouldn't be able to sustain this war without the US. They supply the bombs, arms and other ordinance and protect the coastline. If the US pulled away in the morning Israel would be in serious trouble. They talk about being surrounded by enemies but in reality they have made themselves the enemy forever in the region and are more detestable than ever because of the way they have treated the Palestinians since 1948.

You don't think they believe they can destroy Israel?

Their incursion made it a long way into Israeli territory and apparently the aim was to link up with the West Bank.

Had they done so it might have been a lot more serious and the conflict would have taken off to.a much greater degree.

They don't have to destroy Israel in a frontal assault. They can simply continue their campaign and try to isolate Israel on the world stage.

Oct7 has been.partially successful and must give them encouragement of greater success down the years to come.

How can Israel and Netanyahu simultaneously believe Hamas has the capacity to 'destroy Israel', but at the same time firmly believe they will be able to crush and obliterate Hamas in the next months (to the point where there won't be a single Hamas member left alive)? None of this even adds up.

Don't worry, your friends in the US Left are working to change all of that. As we know, US college campuses are becoming hotbeds of anti-Semitism and that will eventually spill out into wider American society. Eventually, that could mean no more US support for Israel, and that in turn would mean that Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Islamic Jihad, IS, Al Qaeda etc. can do whatever they want to the Jews. And in that they will have at least the indifference of some on the radical Left.

There's no arguing that Hamas/Iran have played an absolute blinder with their 7/Oct attacks. But they could not have been anywhere near as successful if they didn't have legions of useful idiots championing their cause in the West.

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It's not just Hamas. It's Hezbollah in Lebanon, rattling their sabres. It's the Houthis, hundreds of km away in Yemen yet taking pot shots at ships in the Red Sea that might be heading for Israel. Iran is behind it all, using these smaller local forces as proxies, and discrediting Israel with the world's governments and media is part of the strategy. This is a propaganda war as well as a proxy war, since the Iranian regime knows what will happen if they attack Israel directly.

All these reports of Israeli atrocities ... all true? Who knows? I don't, and I don't believe anyone here knows either. One of those reports from a hospital says that the people there are scared the IDF is going to kill them all ... where do they get that fear? Not from anything the IDF has said or what they've actually done so far on the ground. (Yes, I've seen reports of IDF soldiers being dicks, as soldiers do; they should follow their orders, not dick around in a playground, write crap on shells or whatever.) I've said all along that Israel needs to be held to a higher standard, preferably by themselves, if they want to represent civilisation in the region, and that starts with obeying the rules of war and being seen to obey them.

Ah the old antisemitism again, the go-to !! Maybe its just ante murder of women, children and other innocent civilians.

Ah Jaysus ?? Imagine that - having to lock yourself in a library !! How awful !!

Meanwhile women and children are having huge bombs dropped on them in a REFUGEE CAMP when they were told to go there for safety BY the ISRAELIS.

The majority of Jewish people in the West are middle class (or even higher) and well educated - not exactly the type of people you would expect to be facing rampant racism and discrimination.

A side issue for both sides at the moment but what are the long term economic impacts for both sides?

A lot of Israeli males are on army duties, productivity must be badly affected, the cost of arms must be extremely high, tourism must be on its knees and will take a long time to recover, not sure if there is boycotting of Israeli goods, there is going to be a lot of money required for security measures going forward. I don't know what the economy was like before the war started? I presume that money will come from the US and expats.

For Palestinians, it is a matter of just trying to survive. I can't imagine there is any business surviving. Infrastructure is destroyed, hospitals bombed, housing gutted, schools flattened, water and electricity supply in tatters. I don't know what economic activity there was in Gaza before this kicked off. You would think for the forseeable future, it is going to be dependent on outside assistance for food, to build housing etc. but poverty is going to exist for a long, long time