Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Sure does!

So Israel are now warning dire consequences on their other neighbours. Who will stop them in their tracks?

It is, until you have a quick look at the statistics for gun crime in the US. Solidary men, on the flimsiest of excuses, killing multiples of civilians with military grade weapons, and for sure, Israeli killing Palestinians in Gaza, is far from being a Flimsy excuse. Remember the Boston Marathon Bomber? Born in the US, but parents came from Chechnya. If I were in the same situation as you outlined, I'd be damn worried too. What do you think Tayto, that such an attack (or multiples) will take place in 2024?

You can be against the actions of Israel now and not be against the Jewish people in general or antisemitic. I am not a supporter of the bds movement so its not every is on one side or the other, pro or anti Israel.

You are throwing the phrase antisemitic so freely in this thread that you as may as well be calling people woke. The parameters for being antisemitic are so fuzzy now that if support bds you can be accused as being antisemitic.

Far too much gun crime in the US and far too easy to own guns. '' I don't Like Monday's '' over and over again. Presidents and Governments too scared to change the laws on gun ownership.

How much oppression would you take before you fought back?

I fear we are close to a second front opening up in Lebanon. If that happens all bets are off. No doubt the Americans will be putting pressure on the Lebanese, but their army is next to useless. So even if they wanted to they probably can't take on and defeat Hezbollah. Lebanon has little good options to choose from in this scenario. Maybe Hezbollah can be persuaded to move north of the river as per the agreement after the last war if they realise the alternative is a full scale war with Israel . Although that's probably very unlikely.

If I was from the UK and saw how spineless Keir Starmer has been on this issue I would have no idea who to vote for it the next election. He has brought shame on the Labour Party. Bring back Jezza.

In Gaza?

He has learnt well from Tony Blair in positioning himself as Tory lite to appeal to floating voters while hanging on to the traditional vote.

As part of this process he recently praised Thatcher. He is trying to be all things to everyone at the moment. He is just lucky Sunak is in power at the moment. He is a great asset for the Labour Party. Just as Corbyn was for the Conservatives.

This also from the BBC. Were the other 340 IDF soldiers killed in the Hamas attack of the 7th?

More than 500 Israeli troops have been killed since the war against Hamas began on 7 October, Israel's military has said.

It added more than 160 IDF soldiers had been killed since its ground offensive inside Gaza started in late October. Some 900 soldiers have been wounded since that operation began - with troops engaging in close combat with Hamas fighters.

It looks like the West Bank could boil over.

BBC:

Israeli soldiers have raided several money exchange premises in Ramallah and other cities in the occupied West Bank, seizing millions of shekels.

Israel claims the businesses are providing funds to groups like Hamas, a proscribed terror organisation in many Western nations. 

The Palestinian news agency Wafa reported that troops "arrested several of [the exchange] owners, and seized money from their safes after blowing them open".

I stated my position on the tunnels way back, when all the rage was its just Israeli propaganda, look at this, look at that. The Israelis claim that Hamas had their headquarters directly under the Hospital, and showing a motorbike as proof, which was quickly debunked as Israeli propaganda. As well as was every other Israeli "Proof" of Hamas occupation. My position back then was wait and see, and since then I have been proved right. Pictures have emerged of tunnels of very advanced design and manufacture. And proved beyond a doubt that Hamas ran their organization and operations from the tunnels. They publicly announced that the tunnels were built by Hamas for protection of Hamas, and they had no responsibility for Civilians, which was the responsibility of the administration. They forgot to mention that they (Hamas) had stolen all the funds that were to be used for civilian administration, medical, social welfare etc. and used it to build the tunnels and purchase armaments. So much for protecting Palestinians. But now since the IDF chased them out of the tunnels (ongoing process) and they had to move overground, and of course exposed to IDF military so yes, they are now heavily merged with civilians. As for the Palestinian justification for Oct 7th. the buildup of resentment against Israel for all the occupation wrongs over the years, which resulted in and is being used as justification for the events of 7th Oct. There can be no justification for the horrors perpetrated by Hamas on that day. And make no mistake, Hamas knew full well what they were unleashing on Palestinians with that attack. And believe me Tayto, the repercussions of Oct 7th, like the ripples in a pool of water, will reverberate around the world. This story is only in the baby stages yet. It may ae been born in Palestine, but it will travel the world.

Ah ffs, why these comparisons with WW2. There was no smart bombs, laser and GPS guided bombs/missiles and shells etc.... It did have a Holocaust, 2 nukes being dropped, mass firebomb attacks on civilian cities but despite all that, civilian casualties amounted to 57% of all deaths, while in Gaza it's 77%

No wonder people think the IDF is targeting civilians.