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Redundancy- Am I mad?

  • 21-12-2023 9:00pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Adrift


    Looking for opinions.


    Redundancy coming up next year and I’m thinking of taking it.


    Im early 40s, and have done over 20 years with the company. I feel like the work has run it’s course, and from that side of things can feel myself losing enthusiasm and becoming more and more institutionalised . Most of my friends have taken packages or left for pastures new. So I’m feeling the place a lot less and the desire to do something new increases year on year.


    A package sounds ideal, the guts of 200k, I’ve some loans etc could tidy things up and support myself retraining, adding to my qualifications is really appealing to me, just to be learning again.



    downside is, I don’t think I’d get the same terms and conditions ever again. I do 90+ here each year. Great pension, healthcare etc bonuses. And still have 250k owed on the house.


    Is it madness to consider taking it to be more fulfilled but less well off some place else? Anyone else done similar? Is it just a mid career midlife crisis.

    Post edited by Adrift on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It won't be any easier or as lucrative as you get older. Not without some risk. Nothing ever is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Going off the info provided I'd stay put. If it's just the work is "boring" it happens to many of us there's other ways to excite yourself, train in your free time, hobbies etc.

    Be different story if you hated the place or were depressed there. The main thing especially when you said you'll never match the salary and benefits.

    Is the wife working? Many kids? You've 250k left on the house and you've other loans you say. How would you manage with the mortgage and day to day bills? You said the guts of 200k but it's for other loans and to keep you going retaining



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Depends on your circumstances. If you are single, take the money rent the house and spend the next 30 years living like a king in some 3rd world paradise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Torture working in a job that you've lost all interest in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,719 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The biggest issue with your post is “thinking” you wouldn’t get the same benefits elsewhere. You need to do some research into what’s out there and what they’re paying. You might be surprised.

    If you feel like the job has run its course, then what’s plan B? Run down the clock until you’re 65? That’s not really an option, you’re going to leave at some point, so if there’s a good package on offer now, you might be well advised to take it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Your 40. Not 90. You can do whatever you put your mind to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭POBox19


    Take their arms off for it now. Way better knowing when and how it is happening than being told on a Friday morning that the company is finished with you, possibly sooner than you might think. Work with them to get the best package including retraining if necessary. Get your CV in order and references and hit the circuit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭893bet


    At early 40 you are young enough to make a fresh start in a new company at the same role (or a different role).

    Take the money!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Take the redundancy and start the next stage. Whether that's another job or retraining/ education, it's a chance for a fresh start and new opportunities.

    You could stay and work away and then the day could come where they just close down anyway. Nothing is forever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,965 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The Brother (married with two children at the time) took a package somewhat along those lines when he was about that same age. Did an MBA over the following two years and walked into a new job with better T&Cs at the end of it.

    A close friend I've known since primary passed up the offer of a similar package, again at about the same age, because he didn't want to live with the insecurity. The company folded some time later anyway, so he ended up on the dole with a loss less, had to take what he could get afterwards and is now trudging towards retirement on 50% of what he was earning previously.

    Take the money and start making plans for a new future.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Madness would be spending the remainder of your life wishing you were doing something else... You have one life to live, there are not dress rehearsals, if you don't like how it is going it is up to you to change it. None of us can tell you what is right for you, only what we might think we'd do in those circumstances, but we are not you.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If they are offering redundancies and they are decent, take it. Company could well fold and you'd get very little. Leave now and you've effectively 4 years of wages to sit on and make plans, get retrained etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Early 40's, big redundancy on offer, job market at full employment.

    If you don't jump under these circumstances then you aren't ever jumping, so you would want to be pretty damn sure staying there for the rest of life is what you want.

    And thats jumping, you could easily get pushed at any time with far worse of a deal. Why do you think they are offering redundancies at all?

    For myself, I would bite their hands of for that package.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Take the money and run early 40s is still young. Great deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    I'd take it and and run. Even if you got a job paying 75K that would be a good deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Good god take that cash!! Way too young to be bored out of your tree in work. That’s a whopper wedge, something that might not be available in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    Take it

    i was 45 when I got mine (100K). Also had a 1yo baby.

    when we sat down and did the maths, would have 5 years money in the bank assuming I didn’t get a job or any social welfare in those 5 years. 4 weeks later got a new job.

    got new kitchen, paid off cars and only have mortgage.. even working in basic job would cover us and still had money to cover us and put a few grand away for kids college.

    its rare to have an opportunity to have so much cash.

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭dublin49


    I took the deal at 50 ,good decision but it will only be a benefit if you can find paying work reasonably quickly after you leave,I did and the comfort of a big payout is a nice security blanket but work is still a grind albeit I am nearly done now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    250k mortgage in early 40s and on 90k a year ... That's not a lot of debt at all

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Take money and find a new job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭fjon


    Take it! Was in a similar situation, similar age, but it was forced on me. Looking back I am so glad it happened - used it to pay off a big chunk of the mortgage, got a car, and walked into a job almost immediately. The pay was lower initially, but a few years later I am not making 30% more than in that job.

    You will probably never be in a position to get such a big chunk of cash again. Even if you spend a year looking for a new job you'll still benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    250k on house at 40 is alot of debt .. with a salary of over 90 k. You're either banana's or haven't a clue about the housing market horse.


    Also fairly pointed comment at the OP there about floating into the job he has. Bit rude.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Adrift


    One or two barbed comments aside thanks for the advice lads.


    I deliberately held back on one or two things but one things for sure I worked damn hard to get there in that company.


    Also I don’t consider 250k to be insane considering the prices people paid in the boom. Given the state of things now and the average age of a first time buyer right now is 35 I’m glad we got in in our twenties and are happy here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You say the redundancy is "coming up". It sounds like you'd have time to be sussing out other opportunities, or even have one lined up, before your current place puts any offer on your plate.


    Do some interviews in your own time and see how you get on. Say nothing to the current shower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Adrift


    Yeah someone mentioned studying, I think that’s what I’d do. I’ve sussed out the course already.


    Theres days I think it’s the correct thing to do and there’s days where I think I’m throwing away a safe reliable income



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Remember 200k is nearly 400k higher rate of income. That’s a lot of gross income.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,430 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    If you have a plan that will work then take the money and do it. If you don't have a plan then don't. After 40 a change of industry is more difficult as hiring managers will be reluctant to hire older people for junior positions. Even at mid manager levels it will be hard.

    Any scope to get a similar job that matches your experience?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    How many years would it take you to save up that much ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Adrift


    More than a lifetime. Nigh on impossible in my own circumstance



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,292 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It's not madness.

    But be careful with timing, once you hit 49.5 there will be a good bit of "computer says no" to hiring a late-career-stage person. This can be got around with good relationships (which may come from your study, if you choose well) or good luck.

    (Yeah, this is illegal. But no company will ever admit to it - and these days some don't even know what algorithms their hiring software is using to find people who are energetic / enthusiastic / however else they describe their company values.)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Is it really? 25 years left on the mortgage, got it a few years ago, probably under 1.5k a month and certainly acceptable within current lending rules. Certainly less than rent in Dublin. It's not a little bit it's certainly affordable considering other options in Ireland



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I disagree, 40 is not old and people now more than ever continue to change roles in their 40s. 40s means you have a.lot of good years left in you, probably identify with your interviewers.and have experience that many others won't. There are no guarantees but don't let being in your 40s lead you to rue the next 25 years of your working life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,430 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Just speaking from personal experience. I changed career in my 30s and once I turned 40 jobs were harder to come by. Recruiters actually mentioned it specifically as an issue. As above no company would admit to this though.

    US MNCs are particularly bad for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Is redundancy taxed ? Also I believe welfare will be e450 for the first 3 months shortly. Ill bank the money and tahe a break potentially... paying off mortgage or large chunk of it, depending on interest rate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Assuming you have some savings now that could pay off some of the debts you mention? If you don't, then you can also ad loan interest sajinv onto the 200k. Also a few online banks now offering 4% interest...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Fair enough but which bit? A quick Google says you'd get a 25 year mortgage with a 90k salary of over 300k. I'm not far off the same position and the repayments are under 1.1k a month. Have loans, I just don't think it's as bad as you seem to think it is.

    This said, I disagree with the belief it's difficult to change careers at 40. If I had 200k as a redundancy, I'd take it and start retraining while looking for work without stress. Your won't get back to that wage immediately but people put value in experience (unless its PS or CS where they care more about a degree).



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Very true about US MNCs if not a high level position, but the few I knew who didn't move in at an equivalent or higher level in another industry, the rest went in lower and escalated quicker than a young uns as they had experience and sense alot at a younger age don't have. Just an opinion course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Was made redundant 2 years ago. Got a job straight away on 20k more. If I had the choice i would have said in my old job as it meant more time with my family and to myself .

    All jobs steal time from the important things in life. Well that's the way I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    OP is still going to have to earn something somewhere somehow. €200K sounds a lot but you'd burn a good hole in that fairly quick these days. Money just ain't worth what it used to be :(



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Iwantone


    You’d never save cash like that. Take the money and run. Lots of work out there for 40 somethings. You could always retrain.

    Pay everything off the mortgage. Debt is always first to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    He was quoting text from the post which first brought up the level of debt as being high..

    @listermint actually saying it's not a lot of debt.

    Easy to be confused due to the format of the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    He's getting 4.5 years of gross salary. If I had that offer I'd be gone out the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Definitely not mad, based on what you wrote, sounds like you suspect the next offer from the organisation might be less and not as voluntary.

    Many companies go stale and individuals prosper by moving to another company.

    Do up your CV and look at what might interest you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Possibly more difficult, but currently there is such a shortage of competent staff, that hiring Managers are attracted to mature people with a career history.

    My current role bring me into contact with many industries through out Ireland, for most if not all hiring staff and retaining them is their main challenge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Yeah but he's getting 200K tax free. To net that from a salary he needs 400K roughly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    So you mean he is getting 4.5 years of net salary?

    Did he say it was tax free? You can get some redundancy money tax free I think, but there are caps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,486 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'd be all over that, go for it. If you're on 90k you've some skills and education behind you I imagine you'll be employable.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Back of the envelope at 90k/year, 20 years service, so about €24600 statutory tax free, plus €10160 basic and €15300 for 20 years service. Then you have the ScSB, so at 20 years it will be 1.33 times 90k, so another 120k.

    So (and I could be very wrong) it's €145k tax free and then €55k taxable, so if paid near the start of the year and he is taking a break, maybe loses €15k, obviously worse the later in the year it is.

    I'm 3 beers in so could be way off.



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