"Green" policies are destroying this country

CBAM is red tape. Administration and audit trails cost time and money, this particular regulation adds no value to the quality of the end product, only cost.

“It’s an anti-dumping measure to combat illegal subsidy”. How is that the case? What would the illegal subsidy be that is being countered? Is the purpose not to prevent “carbon leakage” which doesn’t appear to have anything to do with anti-dumping or the prevention of market participant harm by dumping

It’s great that you are interested in CBAM all of a sudden. You weren’t interested at all when it was being designed and debated and before it was voted through the European Parliament by a massive majority from all blocs.

Perhaps the CBAM topic was only just added to your ‘talking points’?

Reducing emissions is a legal obligation on all countries. If they aren’t reducing and are using that failure to produce cheap goods and ship them abroad, it is dumping.

These goods are being subsidised illegally at the cost of future generations of all nationalities who have to live in and mop up the mess of climate change.

Have you heard of the Paris Agreement?

https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement

Which steel and aluminum producing countries have not signed up to the Paris Agreement?

Ireland also had an agreement to increase carbon output. So what?

What exactly is your point here?

pretty much every country in the world has signed up to the agreement. They obviously think it is worth something. Donald Trump tried to withdraw so obviously he thought it was worth something too.

three-quarters of Europe’s democratically elected parliament voted for the CBAM.

What did your MEPs say when you and your anti-CBAM colleagues on this thread wrote to them expressing your concerns about CBAM?

OH, that’s right you didn’t bother because you were too busy ditch-hurling.

Have you considered that you might be the one who is out of step?

It is legally binding on the parties no matter how much you whine that it isn’t.

Ireland leaving Paris would have no consequence, you are quite correct. We would still have to abide by it in practice even if we withdrew.

The possibility of Ireland withdrawing is just a fantasy from the ‘talking points’ of course.

You are the one who is suggesting that there is some sort of legally binding implications for not honoring the Paris Agreement, then you go and undermine your own argument with this post. Do you actually know what you are talking about because none of us do?

One of the ramifications is now that your exporters may be subject to a payment under CBAM. I thought that’s what we were all talking about?

CBAM has nothing to do with the Paris Agreement. It is an accounting fudge. Nothing more, nothing less.

Basically a few countries in Europe with notions about being superior Green citizens invented a "carbon tax" to take from the poor and give to the rich. Then they cried foul when none of the other countries in the world were bothered about doing likewise. What's worse is that they continued to sell their dirty, filthy, cheap goods into the same "model" countries for a fraction of the price of goods produced indigenously so the locals complained. "We can't be having their dirty goods (and electricity) undercutting our wondergreen stuff" they sobbed...and the CBAM was born to make the cheap dirty foreign stuff appear just as expensive as the pricey local green stuff.

If no one ever implemented the CBAM, the world would continue to spin, consumers would continue to have access to fair and unadulterated market prices and anyone who wants to buy green can do so of their own volition.

You are saying that this was conspiracy mounted by a small number of member countries and bypassed both the Commission or the democratically elected European Parliament?

Shocking stuff.

How was this measure foisted upon the EU citizenry without the support of the majority of member states?

What did your MEPs say when you told them about this conspiracy ahead of the vote on CBAM in the European Parliament?

I’d go further Charlie & say all they’ll do if countries don’t meet their ‘targets’, they’ll call another COP meeting/jaunt or whatever one wants to call it. Then set new targets and start all over again.

To me it’s a charade - sure didn’t the bould Eamo want to fly 14 hours just to cast a vote.

I'm one of the idiots tasked with implementing the blasted thing so I've had a number of robust discussions on the matter. Admittedly, it's mainly at Task Force level but I did have the pleasure of sharing the middle seat between two of our fine MEPs on a flight to Brussels recently so availed of the opportunity. I guess that's likely a lot more than you've had.

Lots of things get foisted on European citizens without their blessing (thanks Lisbon) but that doesn't mean we've to bow down in violent agreement just because it has come from on high.

No offence, but it is not business of yours whether I did or didn't express a personal or professional view to an MEP or MEPs.

The fact remains that a very small minority are dictating policy that we are somewhat bound to, and that policy serves to increase the cost of goods and services available to EU and select non EU citizens.

You are just deflecting with this rubbish about informing MEPs.