Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

That's the biggest question for me.

How far down are we willing to dilute the native population?

Of course we need immigration but should be controlled and not detrimental to the native Irish.

No, I think it was mentioned that there is a system where if someone is wanted for a crime, or had a warrant out for their arrest, the system flags that.

A poster seemed to think that we don't check asylum seekers on this database, which is false they are obviously checked.

Noone in any country checks to see if someone has a criminal conviction. There is no ban on anyone travelling because they have a conviction.b

Neither Sweden nor Finland are 'ruined' they are both great countries to live in with very high satisfaction rates among the population.

The highest amount of rape offenders in any country are the nationals of that country. Obviously.

You're just repeating that old chestnut that foreigners are all criminals and rapists which obviously is a lie.

But what is so important about that virtue signaling?

Who are they signaling to (who is their audience?)

damn, that is dark

20 years ago, in 2004, Channel 4 had a broadcast scheduled a documentary called " Edge Of The City ". It was about social workers in Bradford. It featured on numerous issues the social workers faced, but also included a segment about a White British mother, who claimed troubled young white girls like her daughter were being groomed and exploited for sex by gangs of " British " Pakistani Muslim men.

It causes outraged with the left, the supposedly impartial BBC ( read RTE ), the Guardian and Labour Party, plus various " Anti Racism " organisations, and MPs with concerns about " racism '", " community relations " and blah blah blah " far right " blah blah blah " far right " blah blah blah " far right ", variously denounced it, criticised it, sought to have it banned. It was pulled from broadcast, but was eventually broadcast some weeks later.

For the above sensitivities, the subject was swept under the carpet for more than a decade, not just by the media, but now by the police and justice system, all for fear of " appearing racist " and " emboldening the "far right" "..

Until eventually the nation had to deal with the reality that literally thousands upon thousands of young girls had been subject to sex grooming by " British " Pakistani Muslims men. Thousands, in towns and cities all over the country. And nobody would listen to then or help them.

So for fear of " community relations ", " not appearing "racist" and the " far right ", the problem was never addressed, until a vast amount of damage was done.

We need just as many unskilled workers as skilled ones. It would be completely incorrect to suggest that an unskilled worker is less productive than a skilled one : anyone who is working fulltime and paying taxes is an essential part of a successful economy.

Wasn't expecting fascist claptrap.

No unless they committed a crime in the EU and were identified....

Which means Interpols database useless

Interpol is international and has 196 members

Ahh good old Godwins law, nearly there.

Name-Calling regular people has lost all power, people see through this nonsense and thankfully politicians are also copping on.

Still makes no difference

If you want to live in a society that is non pasty white then you are welcome to emigrate and if you choose a predominately black country perhaps you could take Leo with you, he hates our pasty white country.

You see the thing is that this 'fascist claptrap' as you put it contains many kernels of truth and lived experience. It may be dressed up in a way you don't care for but that doesn't mean you get to dismiss it.

In general I'd be left leaning/ liberal kinda voter myself and the only party I ever canvassed for are the Greens back in the day. The Greens then were very much about 'Reduce, Reuse and Recycle' and if you follow the spirit of that, you will see the logic in not rapidly increasing our immigrant population. Reduce.. Reuse.. these core principles point to making do with less, less growth and less expansion.

We don't need 15,000+ economic migrants annually to fill poorly paid jobs, so that others can get rich. We don't need to fund whole building programmes, schools, health and public transport services for 15,000+ economic migrants annually. Just who is benefiting from this, who will be getting wealthy off the back of it. Reduce and Reuse what we have.

The other very curious thing about this whole debate is that it is those on the business and establishment side who want this, who talk endlessly of cracking down on the 'far right', monitoring social media and profiling those who do not agree. All practices followed by fascist dictatorships to mange their populations.

So just who are the real fascists in this?

You do realise when the majority of the civilians in this country are non national that those laws you hold dearly will be removed to align with our imported population?

Personally, yes, I will be looking at emigrating. Quite a large tax contributor, no skin off my nose and im sure im not the only one.

The lefts utopia of a country full of social welfare dependents, free housing for the world is on the horizon, if only there were some idiots willing to pay tax for that utopia.

Yes fascism is dangerous, no free speech, censorship, control of media, no differing opinions allowed, erosion of democracy, no accountability …

……hang on a minute ..

And we're back to the cost/ benefit analysis that I thought Suvigirl or StudentDad or other proponents would be able to furnish to justify their open ended promises. But you'll note, they didn't - they just wafted it away and said it was ridiculous to expect an analysis of costs v benefits and overall idea of cost to the taxpayer. Dangerous ideologues is what we have here.

What do you think takes so long deciding asylum cases?

Dangerous idealogues indeed. Now that made me smile. When it comes to fundamental human rights and that's what this ultimately boils down to. The issue is obscured by arguments about cost and resources etc. In the end this is about people. Whether some posters on here like it or not refugees have rights, people have rights and they are perfectly entitled to see that their rights are protected. If the Irish State has obligations towards these people, we ought to honour those commitments.

The fact that certain posters would prefer to limit human rights is disturbing but not surprising. As I have said before the fact that our services are stretched has nothing to do with the rights of refugees to seek refuge here. I don't know what's more dangerous, the idea that protecting human rights is somehow idealistic or the idea that we don't need human rights, because you know, in the minds of some, they're too expensive.

Resources.

Also..

A figure from 2019 showed that only 15% of first-time decisions on asylum applications in Ireland were rejected, compared to an EU average of 63%.

So an average of a 48% discrepancy between the rest of the EU and Ireland.

somewhat shows how fûcked up things are here now.

Very much so. And as someone pointed out previously, seeing groups like these feels completely out of context in quiet, traditional rural villages - every other issue aside with integration, few to no amenities, policing, and already limited and overburdened services.

What positives do such major influxes have on these areas? I don't think one actually exists quite honestly.

Unlimited appeals, barristers , human rights Barristers, solicitors, NGOs,all funded by Joe taxpayer

The list for housing never ends when it’s given away for free. But there’s no point arguing with idiots - shame theres not more than 50 ignore options.

Well that is exactly where you are wrong and our overlords in government would like to think you are right.

We, in this country fought hard for centuries for our rights, now yourself and your pro immigration cohorts would love to just throw all that away, it's treasonous.

Out constitution maybe - but FF/FG/GP couldn’t give the square root of 6 **** about the irish tax paying citizen.