Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Thats doubtful considering the history of the region. As has been said many times at this stage, if hamas put down their weapons there would be peace, if Israel put down their weapons they won't exist anymore. Israel are surrounded by people who will fight until the country and the Jews who live there no longer exist. Why should they roll over and accept their own annihilation? Especially since they already faced an attempt to eradicate them within living memory, which is the entire reason why Israel even exists in the first place. They won't allow themselves to be exterminated again. Why is this shocking to people?

But do they even believe a word they are saying? Hamas is a poorly armed militia of around 25,000 men - they would struggle to 'annihilate' a few small towns or villages in Israel, never mind the entire country.

this is just hasbara guff and nobody is buying it anymore.

hamas barely have any weapons, some ineffective rockets which are as good as fireworks and stones.

israel would continue their genocidal behaviour regardless of whether hamas exist or not.

Why are you trying to paint Hamas as primitive buffoons? Same with your assertion about them not possibly meaning what they say about annihilating Jews. It's infantalising a group who raped, tortured and murdered hundreds of Israelis, and yes, they wiped out entire villages despite the claim further up the page that the poor little guys could never do such a thing.

Stop with the hasbara shite. It's bordering on conspiracy territory at this stage. I don't think the Jews have infiltrated boards.ie, certainly not my account anyway lol

China and Iran are allies. Weapons could easily have been sold from China to Iran and then been forwarded on to their proxies.

I'm a bit confused by your post Nacho. You disagree with what I think (which you are most welcome to do) in your first sentence, then go on to justify everything that I said?? As for the Ayatollah being full of rhetoric, but rational as well, that does not fit with Killing school girls for not obeying sharia law by not wearing head scarves, hanging protesters from cranes, having the Religious Police (both male and female) roaming the city streets with a free hand to terrorize the people does not make you think of just how rational the Ayatollah and his minions are? I lived the for a while. Wonderful historic Country, fantastic people, very friendly and hospitable, but like all Country's living under Sharia Law, people are subject to the whims of the Mullahs in every walk of life. And human nature being what it is, that's a power that's often abused. Do not assume that the Iranian Ayatollah is rational normal individual.

It's not excusing China at all, just explaining the reality of what happens when vast amount of armaments are shipped from one country to another. As I said you wouldn't blame the west if weapons supplied by the west to Ukraine fell into the wrong hands. So equally you cannot blame China if they supply weapons to countries in good faith and those weapons end up in the wrong hands.

It's simply I disagree with part of your post. I agree with you about what Israel will do to prevent Iran getting a nuclear weapon.

The bit I disagree with is your view Iran would use a nuclear Weapon. A theocratic regime can make rational decisions to maintain power, even if a lot of their behaviour is irrational and autocratic. This is where I see a gap in the rhetoric of the Iranians and what they actually do on the world stage. If the Iranians leadership were incapable of making rational decisions they 'd have gone to War with America or Israel in recent years. There is a clear reason why they have not done so. Which in a previous post you've acknowledged.

Interesting editorial on CNN from a woman who was held hostage by Iran and why we might, might be seeing the hostages being held by Hamas "doing well." It's disinformation, being a hostage is horrible.

They unquestionably will have more leverage, which obviously will not suit Israel and America but if the Iranians are daft enough to strike Israel they are ensuring their own destruction in the process. I believe despite all the rhetoric they enjoy power and being alive so won't take that course of action. The Israelis from their perspective won't be willing to take that chance, this is where I agree with you they will do whatever it takes to stop Iran getting a nuclear bomb.

Has anyone read the new sex crimes in today's Indo that the Palestinians carried out against women? I don't think Israel is bombing them enough after that article. I actually feel sick. This is not war, this is something else, this is worse than war.

What in the name of feck is wrong with these people!? Why do they hate women so insanely? I can't even repeat the acts. Thank goodness Israel is bombing these monsters. This cancer must be excised from humanity.