Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Narcissists are suppose to be charming and have the ability to draw people in. Meghan certainly hasn't been able to draw the British public in (and a lot of posters here), so in that she fails the narcissism test.

I dunno some posters are commited to slurping down every bit of kool aid Meggy has to offer.

Earlier, @jm08 posted:

Current wisdom is actually that while people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) can be superficially charming and likeable at first, this false persona wears off quickly. Narcissists tend to be hypersensitive to criticism and highly defensive when they’re offended, which is often how their difficult personalities are revealed to others. When offended, someone with NPD will often become highly defensive, reactive, and even aggressive or hostile.

I think it's fair to say that Meghan received a very positive welcome at first, but that certainly wore off. Another post stated:

Ah, but the Royal Family is very hierarchal. Being a member was never going to be enough. There is a pecking order. But Meghan has to be top dog. Can you imagine her having to curtsey to Catherine??! Or Princess Charlotte? Meghan would not even have been able to countenance it, let alone perform it.

According to current diagnostic criteria, NPD is characterised by five or more of the following:

• Grandiosity or an excessive sense of self-importance
• Fantasies of powerful, success, beauty, or importance
• A belief in being special or exceptional (sometimes with a desire to network with people of similarly high ‘status’ or ‘importance’)
• An excessive need for validation, praise and admiration from others
• A sense of entitlement or feeling like one deserves special treatment
• Exploiting others for personal gain or selfish reasons
• Lacking in empathy or unwilling to identify with the needs of others
• Being envious of others or believing others are envious of them
• Arrogant or haughty behaviour, or acting better or superior to other people

Try putting a tick or a cross against each one of them, and see how many ticks you have at the end.

Source

https://www.choosingtherapy.com/female-narcissist/

That's the problem. In RF she had no chance to be on the top. Charles, William and Catherine, would always be above her/them, hence jealousy and attempt to drag them down...

@Karppi

Except, Meghan worked for 6 or 7 years on Suits and not one person (cast or crew) has a bad word to say about her, in fact, the exact opposite. They all said she was fun, considerate, hard working, always knew her lines, always remembered everyone's name, was on time and well liked. She worked in a homeless kitchen and took in rescue dogs.

Then her first husband whom she divorced has not said a bad word about her (though I'm sure he would have got some very good offers from the British gutter press to give some dirt on her).

Then there was the actor, Simon Cox who the British gutter press tried to bribe to say that Meghan had hooked up with him. He said no, even though he could have done with the money at the time.

How do you dismiss all of that evidence from people who really knew her for a long period of time? It certainly does not support your opinion that she is a narrcisist.

So is a film set. I think its absolutely weird to curtsey to anyone. I'd say anyone but royalists would think the same.

By the way, why do you pick on Catherine and Charlotte*? Why not KCIII or William. Do you think she would be happy to curtsey to them because they are male and superior anyway? (by the way, I don't think she would have to curtsey to Charlotte - does Kate curtsey to Princess Anne).

Initially, Meghan got a great welcome and she was very popular on various royal tours that she did. Seemingly this was a bit of a problem for the royal family - she was a bit too popular and liked. Anyway, it took a while for the British gutter press to get their racism going and for it to seep into the general public consciousness (i.e., the comments about her ''straight out of Compton" and "exotic DNA'' was prior to her marriage to Harry and of course, the chimp depiction of Archie was early as well. So, she may have got a good welcome in the beginning, but it didn't last, not because of her being a psycho, but rather the targetted, racist, misogonist bile heaped on her by the British gutter press.)

(Remember when she got involved with the Grenfel Tower victims with the cook book - it was labelled by the British gutter press as the ''terrorist cookbook)! Would you agree that is absolutely disgusting to write that (with no rebuke from anyone in the Royal Family).

Your list

• Grandiosity or an excessive sense of self-importance = NO EVIDENCE
• Fantasies of powerful, success, beauty, or importance = NO EVIDENCE
• A belief in being special or exceptional (sometimes with a desire to network with people of similarly high ‘status’ or ‘importance’) = Well, she is fairly special/exceptional.
• An excessive need for validation, praise and admiration from others = NO EVIDENCE
• A sense of entitlement or feeling like one deserves special treatment = The exact opposite. She didn't want the 'special treatment' she was getting.
• Exploiting others for personal gain or selfish reasons = NO EVIDENCE
• Lacking in empathy or unwilling to identify with the needs of others = Actually, everyone says the exact opposite. She has great empathy.
• Being envious of others or believing others are envious of them = I'd say there were a fair few people who were envious of Meghan Markle for marrying Prince Harry (the British darling who deserted them for an American divorcee)
• Arrogant or haughty behaviour, or acting better or superior to other people = NO EVIDENCE

Now, can you list your evidence and give examples that convinces you that Meghan is a narrcisist.

Meghan was far from the background. There were 1000s of hateful articles about her every day in the British gutter press. She would still be there if she was allowed stay in the background.

William couldn't live with H&M being more popular than he was. William is even jealous of Catherine now because she is detracting from him.

They can be summed up very simply. They met, fell in love, seemed happy to be working royals, kept their options open (i.e. keeping agent in the US), realised doing stuff like 450 engagements a year was their reality for decades ahead and so thought feck that, got tempted by what they were potentially worth commercially on paper (i.e. a lot), tried to wrangle a meet us half way compromise to capitalise on their popularity, got rebuffed because stuff like 450 annual engagements is the commitment, had their egos injured by the reality of the hierarchy, Covid swayed attention away, grifted major deals on the back of their royal status, realised they had to actually work and most have cottoned on to the idea that all they are truly worth is whatever goss and tea they might have had while their epic fumble (From stuff like state dinners/A listers queuing up to greet them/genuine popularity to ridicule, coffee commercials, move along please on a red carpet) is seemingly still being blamed on his family who have grey rocked them and keep on keeping on.

The guy riding the bike meme where he puts a stick in the spokes and then complains about someone else being at fault succintly sums them up.

She's a neck as thick as a jockey's bollo5ks.

I see it’s based on a “report” by Neil Sean. I’ve watched a few of his videos on YouTube. He doesn’t seem to be a particularly well informed kinda guy. Very polite but a bit thin on facts, IMO

I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said there - I think it’s a very fair summary - Harry is a complete fish out of water without his battalion of palace advisers and organisers - much as he has criticised them as the dark arts, I reckon he’s realising now just how many potholes were avoided when they were supporting him - whilst they may not have got everything right to his exacting satisfaction standards, he’d be in a whole heap more trouble I reckon had they not been there.

As for Meaghan, I think she’s realised that just because you’re married to a Prince, it doesn’t automatically open the doors you want- this is clear in terms of the stand off nature of some of the serious A listers in Hollywood giving the couple a very wide berth - it might be a fickle society but even they have standards 😀

Oh

The Express think they have had a torrid year. What's torrid about having a best selling book that will more than likely be made into a movie? Then you had the Invictus Games and winning a landmark court case which will hopefully cost the Mirror over a billion by the time they have paid off all the people they have hacked.

Gosh you seem a bit uptight, any New Year resolutions?

I agree with many of the points you raised about narcissistic indicators. Obviously, its not conclusive proof that she is a narcissist of course, but Id be surprised if she weren't. Id add her manipulation to the mix though and her bending and twisting of facts to suit her agenda.

For example the Oprah interview. There were many examples, including leading Oprah to the racist concern conclusion and pretty much confirming that. Yes, technically Markle never said the words but she put those words in Oprah's mouth. There were many other examples, such as hinting that her kids wouldn't get titles or something because the rules had changed, but she implied that the rule change had racist motives. That could be put down to ignorance on her part but she never (to my knowledge anyway) admitted her mistake.

The signs are everywhere and hard to miss IMO. Id also add that Mariah Carey moment on the podcast, I think Mariah jokingly called Markle a Diva, then Markle inserted a segment complaining about it. My recollection isnt great on that one, but thats the gist of what I remember. Im certainly not going to relisten to confirm. Also I seem to recall her interview of Serena Williams and Markle kept bringing the conversation back to herself. Her voice on that podcast of hers was so condescending and just a struggle to listen to.

I love how the opposition tries to debunk your points by claiming no evidence, yet can produce none of their own. Nor can they explain the points raised.

Funny thing with narcissists, (at least the ones Im familiar with) they seem so lovely to acquaintances and those that are not their targets. It can take a long time to see them for what they are. But once you do it becomes far easier to spot.

One thing Ive seen though is the pro H&M side say Markle is an inspiration to them. What is that based on exactly?

Surprisingly, I agree with you on this.