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Farm jeep/crewcab.

  • 30-12-2023 3:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭


    Probably going to have to change the jeep sometime in the next few months. Have a 06 lwb landcruiser and do a fair bit of towing with a 14ft tri axle box. Would rather a crewcab next time around I think. So what's ye're opinions, Hilux, Dmax, Navara, Ranger, Amarok, l200. Under 30k. Have heard good and bad about most of them. Don't want something that's underpowered towing either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,061 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I see the new Tesla Cybertruck has a towing capacity of 5,000kg. Also an acceleration of 0 to 60mph in 2.6 secs.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I don't think you'll be able to buy 1 in Europe, atleast in it's current iteration. It's partially do with the safety standards and owing to it's weight you'd need a C1 licence to drive it to the best of my knowledge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    Amarok would be the best all things being equal, but you'll see they are much dearer than the others. Nothing really between the Navara, Hilux and Ranger, all 3 are good so its down to personal preference and which one is best value/ in best nick for the money although the high end Rangers look the part they can be expensive too.

    l200 is best value, easiest on diesel but is weaker and a lower towing capacity. I'm not a fan of the looks but other folks love them. The pajero is another option, don't know much about the newer ones though.

    Last is the Dmax, very agricultural to drive, reliability is suspect too. Isuzu have fallen a long way since the hayday of the Troopers.

    A sub 30k Cybertruck? can't even see a sub €100k on in Europe, it fails so many EU safety regs it'll never see the light of day here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭amacca


    I know a couple of lads with d-maxs around, no issues one is 5 years old and way over 100k, does a lot of going


    What sort of stuff you hear happening to them? was thinking of getting one myself , was worried about the 1.9 engine but see the new rangers etc are back on ccs too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭yewdairy


    Currently have an l200, had a landcrusier before that. L200 definitely not as good to tow but I don't do a huge amount and only have a 12'6. A few months ago I had the loan of the neighbours tri axle nugent, didn't think the l200 was fit for it at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Plant hire contractor here would disagree with that Silverdream. He bought a new amarok V6 in 2021 and kept it 9 months. He said it was a VW fanboys wet dream and nothing else. Poor off road and the drivers seat bolster had tore in ribbons in that time and he is not a 22 stone monster either. He wouldn’t be 12 stone. He went from an 06 Discovery to it.

    I know nothing about jeeps but around here the rangers would get the name of being soft and giving loads of bother, particularly the 2.2. Hiluxs are rusting underneath from the day they were born.

    Newer model Navaras and Dmax wouldn’t be common locally at all. I know I have an 06 Dmax for the last 13 years and it has been bulletproof, but they have had 3 new models since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Are the 2.4 hilux's dead in themselves? Did the 3.2 engine in the rangers give trouble too. A volkswagen mechanic told me to stay away from the amaroks a few weeks ago and he was just after buying an l200 himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Had a 19 amarok ,got rid before the warranty ran out,high oil alarm would go before service was due , not suited to short journeys anyway,ended up doing as much mileage trying to clear the filter as anything else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭amacca


    I heard the 3.2 engines in the rangers were the ones to have...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    The ranger were very popular around here but I noticed theses a swing back to the Hilux lately.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    You have them in my order of preference. Can't beat a hilux....I personally wouldn't take a present of an l200 need an acre to turn them and they overheat to look at them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭9935452


    A lad i work for had a 08 chassis d max for about 10 years.

    He did about 10kkm a year in it. A fair bit of towing and a good bit of off road and farm passages. He wouldnt be the worst with maintenance.

    It always took a good bit of work to get it through the test.

    Ball joints wore regularly.

    Rubber mounts for the shocks wore out each year. Both rear springs broke.

    There was always a few hardi spicers in the drive shafts being changed every year.

    Front wheel bearings needed tightening every year.

    It went down on power and cutting out, we thought dirty fuel so took off the fuel tank to clean it. Turned out it was water getting into the tank.. no obvious reason for it.

    It was a weekly task to drain off the water.

    Both brake slave cylinders in the back axel leaked and were replaced.

    Handbrake adjusters had a life of their own too.

    Ont of the injectors gave bother too.

    Clutch was replaced which was expected due to towing.

    Finally when towing a trailer through a field it sheared the shaft coming out of the front diff to the drive shaft. So a replacement diff was needed.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    Has anyone experience of the newer shape Navara's, the 2.3 model. I've a 16 reg 2.5 litre Dmax and I'm not overly impressed with it tbh as regards pulling power. The 08 reg 2.5 Ranger it replaced was a way more capable when it came to towing.

    I'd consider a Hilux only that there a serious price and a 3.2 Ranger would be a thirsty beast considering I do a good bit of milage every week. There seems better value for money in the Navara but I'd be afraid there a bit on the soft side. I'd never have considered one only that the better half's brother bought a 19 reg one and I've driven it a few times lately but never while towing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    No the thick end of it isn't, I'd say I do about 400km a week on average or maybe a touch more. However they'd be no week the cattle trailer wouldn't be put on and at certain times of the year there'd be a trailer swinging out of the back of it as often as not.

    In an ideal world I'd have 2 vehicles so fuel consumption wouldn't be as big an issue but I can't see that happening being honest. I don't want to be spending a fortune on diesel every week and in fairness the Dmax isn't hard ran as jeeps go. However neither was the Ranger and it never left me feeling wanting in the power department. The Dmax gets the job done but in a tight spot you have to nurse it along and that takes it's toll on a yolk too. You could spin the wheels on the Ranger in 3rd gear going along the road loaded if you felt so inclined, the Dmax in comparison is inclined to die out on a hill unless you watch what you're at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Have a 2.5 d-max too. Wouldn’t be overly impressed either with it for towing. Put up about 20k miles a year between the job/kids and farm.

    Tow a lot of cattle home from marts at certain times of the year and to and from farms. If there were 7 500kg stores behind behind you and you’re pulling off on a hill you’d know about it.

    Find fuel consumption good enough and handy for the kids. Thought the dmax the best option at the time I was buying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Can you get the official power upgrade on the DMax in south? Increases power to 205hp and torque to 450NM.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I'd agree that Dmax is a good all rounder but it's a pity there wasn't another few horses under the bonnet. I only run a 12 foot Porter behind mine and I think 5 good cattle is lot's behind it, something I never considered beyond the Ranger's abilities.

    I put a clutch in the Dmax over the summer despite doing my best to mind it and using the low box when needed. I drove the Ranger for 3 years in the same circumstances and the clutch never as much as smelled in it. I'll probably keep the Dmax for another while but I wouldn't be raving about it to other's. Is the 1.9 version any better I wonder?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I'd consider something like that if I thought it was a good idea. Anyone any experience?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    I wouldn’t think it’s any better for towing. I hear lads who have them say they are good but I always think that most lads that spend big money on yolks find it hard to run them down.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    You could be right there, hard to know what to buy. I'd love a Hilux if they weren't such a price, there's a catch no matter what you look at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    I’d love a Hilux too but at the time they were close to 10k dearer than the dmax for a 5-6 year old.

    One can’t have notions when finishing cattle.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    As neighbour and friend often comments "when poverty comes in romance goes out".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    For a 14ft box I'd stick with a lwb landcruiser if possible, no experience of them but possibly a 3.2 ranger after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The Hiluxes are very popular with the jihadis.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,728 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Watching a few UK car auctions you could get 2 range rovers for under 30k, with a bit of luck when one is in for repairs the other one would stay going.

    Pajero here after the Land Cruiser chassis rusted out. It's ok, pig on juice, good for trailer work but it's not a patch on the old cruiser at all. My advice would be put some money into the old one and maintain it properly. If you need a crewcab for kids just get a small diesel car.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Yes. Very good job. Is actually quite good towing at std, but the factory upgrade puts it in a par with 2.8 Hilux and improved economy. It is well geared with a short first gear (manual) which is ideal for taking off with a load.

    The interior I'd say is a bit more car like (plusher) in the DMax. Although some say the engine is a bit more noisy. The lane assist can be intimidating at the start, but you get used to it or it can be turned off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The Landcruiser always was and still is the best all rounder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭leoch


    Landy swb all day long



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I'd argue that it's too highly geared, you have to keep the revs up when changing up the gears or it will die out especially going from 1st to 2nd. Maybe it's just me but I often went up a steep hill in 1st loaded and went to change on the flat with a good rev up and it would still want to stall if you didn't floor it. Once you get up the gears it's not to bad but it's fairly gutless taking off which didn't do the clutch much justice I'd imagine.

    As for the interior and fancy gimmicks like Lane assist I buy single cab poverty specification so there's a blank bit of plastic where that would be. On the plus side I suppose it keeps the weight down which helps with the lack of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    The 2.5. You were referencing the 1.9? I've no experience of those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    I have a 08 hilux myself some bus I do say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    You were leaping on a pajero in Dublin in 2021 making some money from Ukrainians fleeing war that are gone skiing to Ukraine this Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Have a cruiser of the same vintage from new. Couldn't part with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,045 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Plenty of the Asian specs and certainly all African specs have none of that emissions stuff.

    I think some African specs are still even using mechanical injection or at least they were until recently.

    Emissions management systems have ruined commercial vehicles to an extent here in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Bazzer007


    I have an auto 2017 L200 and find the turning circle fine. I like them & the 2.4 is a nice engine. Haven't heard horror stories about that engine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Have a 3.2 Ranger and a 2.5 Dmax here. The Ranger has more power but the Dmax is more comfortable on the road. As regards reliability, couldn't fault either of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Who2


    If your going for a hilux get the pre 16 , three litre or skip and go for the 2.8 that came in 21. Don’t buy anything in between if you need it for towing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    The op is talking about a sub €30k jeep, so in the €25-30k region you are looking at 2017 to 2019 vehicles. A quick look on dd and there's some really nice Nissans and Rangers to be got, even the higher spec Wildtrack rangers. No way would I be looking at one a 1.9 DMax against those two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    I have few jeeps I do be here and there with workers etc I didn't start the war in Ukraine and I hope to god it finishes sometime soon makes a few pound out of keeping Ukraine yes but would be grand without too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭Casati


    Ques why are’nt small 3.5t cattle trucks like the Iveco Daily more popular here? Can be driven on B licence, more economical than a crew cab dragging a trailer and probably cheaper to buy and repair? This is an old one

    https://machineryauctions.stags.co.uk/lot-details/index/catalog/68/lot/19796/2011-IVECO-DAILY-35C15-LIVESTOCK-LORRY



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    If you're looking I have a 192 Ranger Wildtrack for sale for 25k+vat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    You might be mistaken for a calf tangler driving that Iveco, strong farmers, drive jeeps and crew cabs 😊.

    Slightly off topic, would four 500kg bullocks fit in a 10x 6 trailer.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    A jeep is an all round sort of a tool compared to the handy cattle lorry. You can use it as a daily runaround, tow a trailer, you've 4wd for land work and bad lanes ect, do the school run, go to a wedding or a funeral in it and so on.

    If you've good loading facilities then they should fit, if the first one stands crossways at the front then you'll get the other 3 side to side behind him. I've a 12x6 and you'll put 5 of those stores on it with ease and 6 with a bit of luck and perseverance. The problem usually arises when the trailer is 10x5"9 as opposed to 10x6 and the bullocks are pushing for 600kg average.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    bit tight I'd make to runs 500kg cattle making nice money right disasters if one go hurt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Ya that was something I meant to ask aswell actually. 2.8 are out of my budget anyway and I'd be wary enough of the lower displacement engines which is why I started the thread. A lot of the 3.0 getting rusty now too. Have had landcruisers for the last 12 years so I'd find it hard to shift away from Toyota but if I thought there was something better I would. Need the seats and would rather be able to keep the feed bags and dog and stuff like that in the pickup too. I know they wouldn't be as comfy as a landcruiser and a bit more awkward too. Wouldn't be doing mental mileage, just farm is very fragmented and spread over 8 miles so a lot of moving cattle around in summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Who2


    You’ll still get the 3 litre with a good chassis but I’d say you’ll need to head over the other side of the country.

    I lived on the west coast for a while and you would nearly see the rust forming on steel as you stood there.

    I’ve one here that I love driving and in fairness bad no real issue only I changed the clutch and got a genuine(apparently) but I’d say the box it came in was all that was genuine as it has never has been right.

    I’ll go to the 2.8 next but I’ll stay with what I have for a while as I can’t justify buying new, currently in the low 60’s for an invincible specced the way I want. It would kill me between dirt and bangs from farming to spend that sort of money.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I don't have any experience of the newer type Ranger but I'd look into one if I was in you're position. I'm talking about an 18 or 19 reg 3.2 one as a quick scout on donedeal shows them coming in just under €30k in general. Any of the complaints I heard about them were concerning the 2.2 version. A good few of the cow men about here run them and a 14 or 16 foot trailer with a load of beef cows and bulls daily is as good a test as any imo. You're probably talking another €8k or €10k and maybe more to buy a similar Hilux I'd imagine.

    Seeing as milage isn't a huge concern then you could probably stomach a bit extra in fuel costs and I've yet to hear anyone complaining about the 3.2 lacking power. Those 2.8 Hilux's aren't renowned for being misers on diesel anyway so there probably isn't much in the difference in that regard. As regards manual or automatic I wouldn't be able to answer that but a lot of lad's praise the auto box. What it would be like in a field or a tight slippy lane way loaded would be one of my concerns but I've no experience of it either way.

    One of the biggest gripes I have about the Ranger and modern pickups in general is there gone into a real Yank tank in recent year's. There pushing 17 and 18 foot long now and coupled with a 14 foot trailer you've not far off 40 foot all in. I'd imagine there's lots of confined spots in you're country too and it takes a bit of maneuvering to get about. There's too much trim and plastic on the Ranger especially, it's grand till you give it a rub of a stone wall ditch or similar and it's hanging off or leaving a void where it once was. The Ranger's seem to be highly speced in general which is a bonus if you're into those things. I'd say there fairly comfortable which would be important coming from the Cruiser as there like being at home in the bed especially the lwb.



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