Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

Price ? R.I.P

Perhaps not about being able to get a credit card ? There is a post on this thread or one of its predecessors from 2020 that wasn’t deleted and it said ‘ Patsy had or has a patch of street benzo sellers’. If someone was involved in selling benzos for cash being able to wash some of that money through a business might be helpful ?

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Posts: 44 ✭ 31-12-2023 3:50pm edited 5:35PM

Spencer10112:29 am

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Working from memory and it’s 9+ months since evidence but trial told something like Patsy Hutch had no credit card. Dowdall paid for sundry Hutch expenditure that needed a credit card and was given money back in cash. So in that context as starting point could have stuck to line that he often ran such errands for Hutch and it was none of his business why a hotel room was needed. Did part of evidence not include Dowdall suggesting at some point he thought room was so Patsy could meet a female ‘friend’ ? But likely the recordings en route to North made that claim of ignorance pretty hard to bring home. As to why someone else didn’t book the room the day before they emigrated/ some ‘wino’ one or more of below may arise:-

(a) Stupidity;

(b) A desire to keep a limited number of people known to Hutch OCG involved with a belief that Dowdall could bluff his way out of trouble.

(c) A deliberate tactic to throw Dowdall under bus and/or also link attack to republicans;

I think it was actually Dowdall told Gardai his dad might have had a bird on the side, or even a fella I recall him wisecracking haha. And that's why he was in the hotel.

Was he daft enough to think that excuse would wash? Maybe if they'd booked a room several times over the months prior (impossible- I doubt the boxing presser was booked that far in advance).

Or CCTV wise they could have backed up his story by hiring a brazzer to be seen on CCTV going to the room and spending the night there. Few of these foreign ones actually live here permanently, she would never be tracked down.

The claim that he spent years booking flights, gig tickets and whatever else for Patsy Hutch also didn't wash with me. It was 2015/16, not 2003 when you would go annoying your only mate who had a credit card.

And why would Patsy use JD for this anyway- even if he isn't allowed cards by the banks because of debts or whatever, he had three kids who were living in Dublin (outside of prison) and a wife- surely any of these are an easier option for an online purchase rather than driving up to Navan Rd to get it done?

IIRC it was belived at the time the operation involved at least 12, 13 people.

Both Dowdalls. The Paymaster.

5 gunmen- Kevin Murray confirmed. Alleged- PH (acquitted on a technicality), NCH, Mago and one other for who several names have been suggested.

Two drivers, convicted- Jason Bonney, Paul Murphy.

Was alleged from memory to be five getaway drivers in total waiting at the GAA grounds, one for each gunman. The late Neddie Hutch alleged to have been one of them. The courts have also accused PH of being involved.

That there is 12 men. Whether either of the Dowdalls, or the Paymaster, was alleged to be a driver as well, I don't know.

Either way it seems the Dowdalls were the only men involved who were never of any prior serious criminal pedigree, which makes them a strange choice to involve given they'd be more afraid of prison than anybody else in the operation.

What's completely mental is that Hutch was extradited from Spain and charged with Murder before dowdall turned. So the only evidence they basically had was a few photos of him in Donegal and the wire tappings that were about 90% illegally obtained.

Dowdalls life is fucked. He was a wreck during the court case. He had aged about 10 years with no future. He's hiding away for the next 10 years afraid of what might await him

Never mind the chances of being charged if some scumbag kills themselves, flame grilled whopper style, while you are in pursuit of them.

We don't know what happened in between those two happenings. Did they manage to infiltrate GSOC? The former investigator who was at the Hutch party was the head of an investigation into the death of Detective Supt Colm Fox, who was the lead investigator into the murder of David Byrne at the Regency Hotel in Dublin. He also had access to the Regency files. The investigator, last I heard, was allowed to leave Ireland. He had a heap of experience in a police force in another country... and... was hired over Zoom...

Just doesn't seem right...

Then there was the former superintendent John Murphy who was investigated on suspicion of aiding the Hutch gang. He was arrested in Midlands Prison, where he is serving a six-and-a-half-year sentence for possessing cannabis. Four other serving gardaí suspected of passing information to Murphy were suspended from the force in 2021.

I'd buy GH is highly intelligent. Not the rest. Don't forget JD said that GH was terrorizing his mother and kids with death threats.

Hutch has a working relationship with the IRA going back to the 1990s. You don't pull that off without being very savvy, fearless, and absolutely ruthless.

JD is manifestly a liar so it doesn’t follow that the claims of death threats were true. If they were true the trial judge accepted that there was a Hutch OCG. The Hutch OCG was said not to be hierarchical so any threats may not have been made on the instructions of a ‘ Mr Big’.

No sorry too convoluted. There’s on the basis of the trial findings a OCG. You know someone the OCG has a link to has a bugged car. Whilst you don’t want to drive around with one of your nephews or JG- if there’s a bugged car you don’t go in it. He if needed could have found someone else low profile. He didn’t know.

Every single one of them are pathological liars.

A state witness’s family being threatened by the gang boss he is giving evidence against is like cheese and crackers. They go together.

The Court in April, 2023 accepted there was a Hutch OCG. It was said to be ‘galvanised’ in 2015/6 after murder of Gary Hutch and Regency. It is said to be involved in cigarette smuggling, sale of Benzos and theft/ high jacking at ports. The OCG is described as fluid. Multiple media reports say that Gerry Hutch in all likelihood came back to Ireland after the Regency to try and crisis manage. Other members of Hutch OCG were more immediately involved in Regency before and during. The regency was done by a OCG. You can debate how long they were around and what they did otherwise but it’s an OCG. All of that doesn’t contradict the fact that Gerry Hutch may have been ‘retired’ for 15 years.

If you are not from the you only deserve to be in prison if convicted camp…Gerry Hutch is linked to 2/3 murders from 1980s/1990s

Its something i suppose. Not a pleasent guy. I wont go into it but he didnt play the laws of the land. Delighted that he got a stretch even considering he was found innocent. Karma if you like.

Some on here can put him on a pedestal all they want. Pony talk of the highest regard.