Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

One measure of misogyny is the rate at which females are selectively aborted. When it comes to that, Hindus and Sikhs are worse than Muslims and Christians:

https://thewire.in/women/india-missing-girls-sex-ratio-infanticide-pew-analysis

And IDF raping and sexually torturing women? I think focusing on Hamas alone is the deflection.

It has been said here many times - IDF and Hamas are as bad as each other. By continually calling out Hamas as the only bad guys is disingenuous. Balance is important.

But in the middle of all this, at least 21,000 Palestinian civilians and 1200 Israelis have paid for it with their lives.

I think the poster was calling out misogyny in other countries because the original post talked about Palestinian hatred of women. That was a very sweeping statement and unbalanced. It wasn't a deflection.

Worse at what?

So, just Hamas? or are you including all Palestinian men here in your statement?

It's unclear if Hamas have a particular problem with women. It's believed that around 25% of people killed on October 7th were female - the fact that any were murdered at all is an outrage obviously, but it doesn't necessarily point to them being targeted because of their gender. At least 40 OAPs were murdered, suggesting those doing the killing were shooting at literally anyone they came across.

Most of the posters here that abhor the mass slaughter of innocent civilians in Gaza equally condemn the abhorrent actions of Hamas.

It seems to me that posters who "support" the actions of Israel are incapable of a balanced view. Your recent posts on the rapes perpetrated on October 7th seem to point to the fact that Hamas hate women, they are monsters, and that the UN are to blame for dragging their heals in condemning these actions.

So, on the basis of a balanced view, do you condemn IDF rape of Palestinians? I posted a link to the Safsaf massacre. Here's another link:

Do you condemn IDF rape of Palestinians? Do you accept that IDF and Hamas, as regards rape, are as culpable as each other? Or not?

The OP I initially replied to, hasn't condemned Hamas at all, as far as I can tell from its posting history. Started out on 13 Oct decrying Israel's behaviour, not a peep about Hamas.

I condemn the actions of Hamas in this war that they initiated. I always have.

As for the 1948 atrocities, if indeed rapes happened (though, it doesn't seem like they were part of the policy of the IDF at the time, that's no excuse but rape is indeed part of Hamas's policy as I showed in the article above.) And shooting defenseless prisoners is indeed a war crime, something Hamas has in abundance in the war they initiated. Interesting that Israel has spent a fair amount of time investigating these allegations - will Hamas do the same for their rapists? I can answer that for you: NO.

Do you equally condemn massacres of Israelis in 1948? There are known to have been several:

IDF prosecutes rapists in their ranks. Hamas cheers them on. I'd say Hamas are far more culpable, despite what some Rabbis might say. As awful as it sounds, it seems like if IDF has raped Palestinian women, they weren't slaughtered afterwards. Unlike by Hamas.

Note the term from the article about the rapes by Hamas. They used 'soil them.' WTF is that? Some medieval bullsh1t phrase, gives you a pretty good idea where their thinking is at, though I doubt any of use needed to know that.

The raids on Hamburg and Dresden are now understood to have constituted war crimes and to have been militarily unnecessary.

From the above, I'll take it that you do not condemn IDF rapes.

As for "if indeed rapes happened", and "weren't slaughtered afterwards", are you really cutting IDF some slack?

And as for Hamas not investigating - IDF investigated Safsaf but the report was never released. Sounds the same as "not investigating" to me.

So, I'll assume you'll continue to point out Hamas atrocities without acknowledging IDF atrocities and avoid taking a balanced view.

For Palestinian deaths in general, prior to the current conflict, the death ratio of Palestinians to Israelis was 22:1. For every Israeli killed, 22 Palestinians have been killed.

On the current conflict, the ratio is about 18:1.

And I agree that specifically targeting civilians is bad, and shouldn't happen. But Israel has a terrible problem in how to focus on Hamas given both the population density of Gaza and the propensity of Hamas for disguising themselves as civilians and using human shields. It is nevertheless true though that Hamas is the government of Gaza, and have a similar relationship with the territory as other belligerents in more "symmetrical" wars throughout history.

The Allies in WWII for example bombed Berlin just about every night and many other cities across Germany. Same in Japan. That likely wasn't fun for the civilians who lived in those cities, but it had been an accepted part of war especially after the Blitzkreig.

I only want Israel to be held to the same standard as for example the WWII Allies - i.e. permitted to do whatever they have to do to target Hamas people and capabilities, and protect their own people. Which as we saw on New Years, is still a pressing need.