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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    Most of the 'experts' on this war have been wrong. The only opinion that's bound to be right is that Ukraine needs more ammo. They have fought this war with astonishing skill so give them the means to finish it.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,280 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He's a an Austrian officer, not sure what his claim being an expert is either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It's really interesting to see you wrap yourself up in appealing to authority fallacies and honestly flat out hypocrisy whenever it suits you.

    Taking your recent claim which you moved on quickly from that(and I'm paraphrasing here): "Ukraine destroyed that multi hundred million dollar landing craft full of munitions as some sort of PR stunt to distract from the loss of Marinka". Or any other of the host of ridiculous claims you've made in the past. Would you have accepted if posters simply asked you for your military credentials when calling out your bullsh*t?

    I fucken doubt it.

    None of us here are certified military specialists or tacticians with the possible exception of Manic. But even at that most military specialists(as with all specialists) are only so in an extremely narrow field. I'm lookin as well at Sean (lets give up) Bell talking well outside his remit about Ukraine needing to negotiate away Crimea. You don't need to be to point out simple logical errors or illuminate a pattern of bias or mis-predictions.

    Demanding military certification about a war in eastern Europe from an Irish discussion board is as asinine as it is useless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I don't think he's claim to be an expert the media does, he seems to have the experience and qualifications to back it up though



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,280 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    what experience, Austria hasn't fought in a war since forever. He's a spoofer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Russia attacking their own again..

    'Russia has said it accidentally bombed one of its own villages close to the border with Ukraine. The Russian army said “an abnormal discharge of aircraft ammunition occurred over the village of Petropavlovka in the Voronezh region” on Tuesday, AFP reported.'



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users



    Newest Russian equipment HIMARSed out of existence



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed. I thought that there was a high chance much of Ukraine would fall within the first critical 96 hour period of the invasion, I was wrong, but I was very glad to be wrong. I see it as one of the biggest military upsets of recent history, with Ukraine excelling in almost every possible aspect. Can level some criticism with hindsight at various decisions/tactics, but in context, it's minor.

    That is of course different from individuals who are gunning for Ukr to fail, regardless of whether it's lay people or "experts".



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'll tell you why he's wearing them Silverharp, it's because there's nothing else there for him to wear! They may have been issued with more suitable footwear on conscription or because his family bought proper gear for them, but once they arrived on the front lines, (or even before they get that far) that's it. It's called Dedovschina, its part of what Russian conscripts go through when they begin military training. Physical abuse, theft etc. are all part of it. It got so bad at one stage that Russia had the highest rate of conscript death in the world. A group of Mothers formed a group to protest to the Kremlin, and the figures started to drop, but if I remember right, that group has been banned now by Putin



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And what exactly were you expecting from a country at war??? The same full peace time programs etc?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, that's true, but some combatants get it much shittier than others, Russian one's for example.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think that's the main issue here. Nobody expected Ukraine to put up such a fight. For a lot of people, Ukraine was just another failing former Soviet republic, riddled with corruption and not really capable of withstanding and all-out Russian assault. Ukraine had been caught flat-footed in 2014, and while they had taken massive strides in reforming the country and the armed forces, there was no real telling how well these reforms had taken root. I know that I expected this war to be over in a couple of weeks when things first kicked off. I was wrong and I'm glad that I was. Even the battle of Gostomel airport in the early days of the war, when Ukrainian forces defeated a Russian airborne landing and thus foiled the coup de main that Russia had been hoping for, was widely seen as a valiant last stand. It was only when the massive Russian columns heading to Kyiv became bogged down that it began to dawn on many that Russia might not be as all-powerful as it appeared to be. In short, no one expected the tactical and strategic acumen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and no one really expected the Russian Armed Forces to be as bad as they were.

    And don't get me wrong, by conventional wisdom, Ukraine should have been out of the fight long ago. By conventional wisdom, Russia should have been able to establish air superiority and ground the Ukrainian Air Force within the opening weeks of the war. By conventional wisdom, the Black Sea should be a Russian lake at this point. Russia had, and in the case of the navy still has, the advantage in numbers and equipment. and if under more competent leadership, would have been able to exploit this advantage. Russia still has cruise missile capable submarines and corvettes in the Black Sea, they should have naval supremacy in that theater simply on the account of having a navy, which Ukraine effectively doesn't have at the moment. Despite the loss of the Moskva, it isn't Ukraine's conventional strength that has opened the Black Sea corridor, it is their skill in the use of unmanned surface drones that is keeping the Russian fleet confined to the eastern Black Sea and to port, where they're easy prey for Storm Shadow, etc. . And that is emblematic of the bigger picture. The Ukraine war, despite some major pitched battles, is not a conventional war along the lines that most militaries had expected in the early 21st century. And that's what's throwing a lot of international observers and analysts off.

    Markus Reisner is a Colonel in the Austrian Armed Forces. Joined the Bundesheer in 1997, entered the Theresian Military Academy (Austria's primary military academy) in 1998 for officer training. Most of the 2000s after graduation, he spent as an officer in numerous reconnaissance units, as well as the Jagdkommando, the Austrian counterpart to the Irish Army Ranger Wing. During that time he was also part of Austrian UN detachments in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Chad and the Central African Republic. From 2014 to 2016, he went through the staff officer's training course at Austria's National Defense Academy, the country's senior officer training establishment. After graduating, and getting two PhDs, he want back into the field, serving as commander of the Bundesheer detachments in Mali in 2019 and Kosovo in 2021. He was also assigned as commandant of the Theresian Military Academy and, since 2022 is commander of the Guards Battalion based in Vienna.

    All in all, that's quite a bit of experience here. And to be honest, while I do believe that Col. Reisner is a bit downbeat and pessimistic in his assessments, that is a good thing in my eyes. The vast majority of posters on this thread want Ukraine to win, me included. But because the vast majority of us don't have decades of military experience under our belt, we tend to get swept away with our optimism at times, and as a consequence see the liberation of Kharkiv or Kherson as a sign that the enemy is weaker than they actually are. But you can't build a military campaign on optimism. You can't bank on your opponents being incompetent or ill-equipped, doing so is a surefire way of losing men and equipment, and failing to reach your objectives. As an officer who has not only gone through regular officer training at the Theresian Academy but also a staff course for senior officers, Col. Reisner is likely very aware of this, and it is likely that this, rather than any sympathies for Russia, is what colors his thinking.

    And while there is plenty of idiocy and incompetence in the Russian Armed Forces, the very fact that they're still able to keep their forces in the field supplied to the degree that they are, the fact that they can continue to order/cajole/force/coerce their infantry to continue attacking Ukrainian lines and to hold the lines that they have, the fact that they are still able to coordinate multi-pronged mass ballistic missile, cruise missile and drone attacks, all this indicates that there is also a core of competent or semi-competent staff within the organisation to keep things running. I think we tend to forget or discount that, and I have a feeling that certain members of Ukraine's senior command staff fell into that same trap with the summer offensive.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    Someone is going to lose their pension this year.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,146 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    if fairness Im not looking to join the Russian army or the Ukrainian one, so even if what you say is true, its not interesting in trying to figure out which side has the upper hand.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Think of all the boots that 250 million piece of equipment would have bought



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Just wait until they try to do business again with the west ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭glen123


    Not sure what you are talking about. The New Years schedule on 1+1 channel, which is now more or less the main tv channel in Ukraine, is the same as pre-war - Zelensky's "kvartal' comedy show. Other tv channels seemed to have toned it down a bit but not all. As for daily tv, plenty of entertainment programs on Ukrainian tv - from The Voice to Masterchef.

    Here is today's schedule of the 2nd main tv station, STB - battles between psychics and all that:)

    https://www.stb.ua/ua/tv/

    So if Ukraine is more or less living as normal (weddings, parties, tv programs, etc) why should Russia be changing anything? It's not like Moscow is getting bombed? Kyiv is.

    Besides, cutting out naked party attendees from the Russian pre-recorded New Year's program should be a boost enough for the Russian army...no need to be cancelling any New years tv for them :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If you consider how important morale is in an army, then for sure the army with the highest morale will perform better than the army where morale is from poor to non-existent, and that to my mind, is a very important factor in gaining the upper hand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    Nobody is going to buy a combustible tank from russia ever again either - India is caught with 6000 of them.

    Post edited by zv2 on

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    This is your post Glen,

    Quote:-

    "Well, you think Ukraine is much better? "

    Ukrainian "main" 1+1 channel straight after Zelensky's long speech at midnight, as usual, showed his own ex Kvartal comedy show - New Year's 2024 one with his pals in it.

    I checked most of the other Ukrainian TV channels at the time and none were showing anything except news, some random movies. Looking at tv guide for 31st of Dec, ICTV also had some comedy show on/concert.

    Go figure." Unquote.

    And I was answering it, as in what do you expect from a Country at war.?

    So, tell me Glen, are you happy or unhappy with Ukraine's TV channels over Christmas and the new year? Your 2nd post seems to indicate that you are happy?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And especially after Putin's major investment in the military. Which I'm sure included winter quality footwear for the troops? But like everything else in Putin's corrupt Russia, a bit of "shrinkage" here, a little bit there......and it all adds up to what we are seeing in what the troops on the front lines are wearing. (or more likely, what they are not wearing)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He made that comment 7 days into the war. It was fairly accurate at the time. The UAF suffered major losses in the opening days of the war. Look at the dates:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

    They only have a functioning air force today due to foreign donations, the pledges and deliveries of which came after he made that statement. They have received over 110 aircraft (fixed wing + rotor) to date - SU-25s, MiG-29s etc - plus a lot of spare parts and equipment for their Soviet stuff. They also did not begin to receive Bayraktars until maybe 1 month later.

    "The Ukrainian Air Force has been eliminated" is an overly-simplistic statement but he wasn't far wrong at the time and most experts said similar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Well, they're fine for keeping civillians in check or dealing with badly armed rebels etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Google his name and then look at the articles especially in German media

    there is not a single one where this Austrian turdicle is not referred to as “military expert” in either title or the article itself

    example from shortly before the war where he claims half of Ukraine will fall

    He is a star in the pro Russian circles which is why they regularly wheel him out, pity he didn’t predict 30x Afghanistan loses in 5x the time for Russia



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,280 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Exactly zero experience in combat. Officers are parasitical organisms at the best of times, he's one in a storied tradition of Colonels talking out of their arse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭glen123


    My original post was in response to how dare Russia have fun when their men are on the front line and I showed with my example that the same goes on in Ukraine. That's all. I personally cannot say whether I am happy or not about both countries' New Year's tv simply because I wasn't expecting anything less or more from either. In both places human life has a value close to zero amongst those at the top :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    I often wonder how many of the contributors to this thread - the war in UKr - have any understanding of what is happening there and from an objective perspective. I am no expert in these matters but I think that I have a fair grasp of the overall situation even as an ‘armchair’ contributor

    one BIG thing that flummoxed me is the thought that - from a geographical perspective- UKr has failed because it made practically no headway since the start of the spring offensive ie/eg no net land has been won over. So, I. Other words , the front line has not moved.

    what is not considered by most are the following three points which are also critical re winning or losing and their effects by which we can only guess, namely :-

    (1) how much damage has UKr caused behind the front lines - to roads , bridges, ports , arms depots, personnel concentrations, army related buildings, etc, etc, etc. - and will cause as time goes on . I am surprised why more of it is not happening. Maybe it’s part of a long term strategy and I will leave it there

    (2) there is a lot of attrition daily on/ near the front lines . Ukr seems to be more careful than Ru in protecting army personnel there and UKr seems to very carefully targeting what it plans to hit to maximise damage - be it vehicles or personnel. I can see UKr being quite happy for the front line to stay where it is - and even let the Ru move it a bit as long as the loss / hit ratio is significantly in their favour.

    (3) The effect that (1) and (2) has on both sides re moral . IMO the typical Ru soldier - especially those on the front lines do NOT want to be there and do not want to be in the army anyway because of fear of getting injured and most do not know what they are really fighting for. On the UKr side it’s substantially the opposite

    in summary, there is a lot of major ‘stuff’ happening re the above three points where UKr has the upper hand and can even do more ‘damage’ when it gets the F 16s’ etc, etc. AND THE ACTUAL FRONT DOES NOT EVEN COME INTO IT



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    OK, so in your professional judgement, what did the good Colonel get wrong in this video?

    I watched the whole thing, and I can find nothing to disagree with. Indeed, the Cobra comparison sprung to my mind even before he brought it up.

    As for other concerns he mentioned, I gave a presentation at US Army Futures Command a couple weeks back and mentioned some of the exact same problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxF-wfxxMw

    For example, the importance and difficulty of SOSRA I mention at 1:30:47, and my concerns that the Ukrainians are not correctly conducting it at 1:41:07. Similarly, the problems of constant observation is brought up by Col Reisner, I bring it up at 1:13:20

    The bottom line is that whatever you want to think of him, the assessment in his video seems correct. The Ukrainians have ended up in a self-admitted stalemate situation, and the reasons he provided for how Ukraine ended up in the situation are valid. Not liking the conclusions doesn't make them wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    lets assume that Ru can produce enough for its troops - an aspect you are questioning. It CAN produce , but DOES it produce enough and IF IT DOES are the items distributed to the correct people and does the minor matter of CORRUPTION kept OUT OF IT while all this is happening?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭thomil


    Never mind, that guy is not worth responding to.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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