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You seem to be referring to the government setting up its own construction company which is Sinn Fein plan.

So that's why I ask about how long in the past. Maybe I am mistaken?

I suggest you stop making assumptions and trying to belittle posters. If you want to discuss education levels then I suggest you start a thread and we can discuss that.

You started off about HAP etc. Then you went on about building houses. I think the statement was "if the state get more involved"

None of it is coherent yet you are ranting at me and telling me to educate myself.

Maybe you could explain your point of view on what the current policy is and what you want to change to make it better. So far multiple posts and not a single one of them is a point of view, just a broad stroke like "The state returning to actually building housing in large numbers. Instead of the disastrous policies we've had for the last decade of minimal state building, and billions of tax payer euros wasted on HAP and leasing of private sector housing units for social housing"

Which means nothing to be honest. If you want this to happen then lay out how you think it can?

Let me lay it out for you with one example from the Housing "Plan"

This time last year

Government housing body has not built one house on state lands | Business Post

The Land Development Agency (LDA), which was set up by the government four years ago to accelerate the construction of housing, has built no homes on state lands, new figures show.

Previously unreleased details of the state agency’s activity under Project Tosaigh, its flagship programme, show that it has delivered just 270 homes, all of which were acquired from some of the biggest developers in the country rather than built by the agency itself.

The LDA was established in September 2018 with a €1.25 billion capital budget to expedite the construction of 150,000 homes over 20 years on state lands. At the time, the government said sites had already been earmarked for 10,000 homes.

4 years = Nothing. Then in a bit of a panic around the LDA's utter failure we got all kinds of kites flow about an even bigger budget but a lot of those kites were rubbish...

‘We don’t know where the €6bn is coming from’ – confusion over Darragh O’Brien’s budget plans | Business Post

‘We don’t know where the €6bn is coming from’ – confusion over Darragh O’Brien’s budget plans

A fortnight after his budget day announcement, the Land Development Agency ‘capitalisation’ figure touted by housing minister seems to have dissipated into the woodwork.

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Typical FG/FF planning.

Oh did I mention the Childrens Hospital which has no completion date or final cost yet. 7 years late, 7 times over budget. Nice work.

Yes I think the cement people who messed up should have had insurance against their incompetence but they didn't and somehow or other it is now to be paid for by people who buy houses that get built from now on. The government has spoken.

As for the Gardai, I used them as an analogy. If you read the full post instead of stopping at the word Gardai, you would have known that.

Taxing labour because the Gardai were faking breathalyser tests is about as logical and fair as the cement levy, so to answer that question, no I don't. It was an analogy to illustrate a foolish decision by the government.

My stated position is that the state needs to stop wasting billions of tax payer euros on demand side interventions like HAP, and instead re-engage in large scale building of social and affordable housing on the supply side as it did for most of our history since independence.

Its a very coherent, clearly stated position, that anyone who understands the Irish housing market at even a basic level would understand. I do apologise if you aren't able to understand what it means, but thats not my fault - and nor is this thread the place to have very basic concepts like the above further broken down to you. Which is why I suggested you educate yourself further on the matter before making posts about it. Its not an effort to belittle you, its just an empirical observation of ignorance and resulting statement of fact.

Its been laid out multiple times in this thread (by myself and others) how exactly this can be achieved - building instead of leasing, widescale training of more apprentices, diverting of construction resources from commercial projects to housing, importation/boomerang migration of construction workers etc. The fact our current government is doing none of these things, many years into the housing crisis, and is now giving best case scenarios of us producing 10-20,000 fewer homes than are needed per year for years to come, shows only gross incompetence.

It made no sense to bring the Gardai into the discussion and still make none now. It is a totally different scenario and has nothing in common. Maybe if you brought up pyrite or something in construction. Strange to attack the Gardai over construction

Anyway, lots of posts on this but you still didn't answer the first question I asked when you posted, what was the alternative? the construction industry caused the issue so it makes sense for that industry to pay for the repairs?

Condescending post, I wouldn't have expected anything less.

So you can't answer the question. I didn't expect you could in the first place.

FYI small point, if you knew anything about construction you would know that moving people from commercial to housing won't work as they have a different skill. Steel workers, shuttering etc.

Will leave it at that, I'm sure you are busy on other threads been a hard person from behind the keyboard

No it's not but anyway.

So you don't want to tax new houses but tax existing houses? who are already paying taxes like LPT etc? plus house insurance and the insurance levy on that etc?

People who are already paying mortgages and struggling with bills etc should take on another tax.

Why do you finish (almost )every post with a question?

You know what You said, you are the person who made the comment above. I’m not going to bother anymore.

Why are you going on about what you are not allowed to say?

Maybe I have this wrong, but you want to tax existing housing stock to drive the price of the houses down? forcing hundreds of thousands of people to default on mortgages and out of their homes?

You have a pretty spectacular record of being driven out of every thread you post on for making really low quality posts, completely lacking in real life understanding, as WishUWereHere half mentioned. Its not condescending when people point this out, they're just observing the facts. ps200306's post here from yesterday is a great example: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121559074/#Comment_121559074

You'd be rather better off spending your time on wikipedia (at the least, as an intro) educating yourself on Irish politics instead of posting wacky ignorant opinions all over the place and than replying angrily to everyone who corrects you accusing them of being mean to you.

Exactly! It would have happened anyway had the government not interfered following the 2008 credit crunch.

So you want to bankrupt the country and leave people sitting on the street. Good for you. I doubt you will get much support from anyone else.

So you had no response then. Your argument about state building was shot out of the water. Not the first time caught out eh, is that your point? I make no apologies for taking exception to dishonest posting.