Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

That doesn't support your claim that "people have a legal right to travel to any country to claim asylum".

The emotive language is those who are calling asylum seekers, illegal immigrants. They know exactly what they are diung. It is dehumanizing, they are criminalizing people who are not criminals.

I'm not one but emotional, I'm stating facts, they are not illegal and you know well why posters keep repeating that they are.

taking asylum seekers into this country, handing them a few quid and sending out to live on the streets is dehumanising though.

I completely agree.

And stop with the soapbox stuff, facts are what are important.

Just under 130k refugees and asylum seekers now in Ireland according to this cheerleader/ journalist. I thought it was 100k. Family reunification will be a cherry on top of that figure.

We are well and truly up the river without a paddle unfortunately.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/01/03/ireland-waved-goodbye-to-its-world-famous-welcome-last-year/

If you truly value facts you would have addressed that issue and left it there.

Instead you've used it as a platform to pontificate from.

The only relevant fact in this discussion right now is that Ireland is demonstrably incapable of dealing with the asylum seekers that are already here to the point where we are actively failing them and by extension the people of Ireland, most acutely the poorer people in Irish society.

We have a legal obligation to receive asylum seekers but we have no legal obligation to ensure people of any background have a place to live.

It's like having a glass full of water and continuing to pour more and more water into it, it's spilling everywhere and it's just not a tenable situation anymore.

I did address it. I made one post correcting the lies.

You actually kept it going.

You don't seem to have a solution other then stop asylum seekers?

No it doesn't.

But feel free to come back highlighting the relevant Law/Treaty that proves "people have a legal right to travel to any country to claim asylum".

About what exactly?

Yes it does.

claiming asylum is a legal right. There is nothing to legally stop anyone claiming asylum in the country they choose. If you believe differently, please show us, perhaps I'm totally wrong. (Obviously there are countries that did not sign up to The Geneva Convention. )

The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) is clear: “there is no requirement under international law for asylum-seekers to seek protection in the first safe country they reach”.

This seems very clear.

Is that what the poster was asking me about? Public disquiet?

well i can probably offer a guess seeing the usual narrative from the other side - invest more money in centre build more modular homes on state lands - do more. international obligations like.

I'm not engaging in this willful misrepresentation of what's going on here.

I replied to a post you made a few days ago, the point of which was to move the discussion away from one posters misunderstanding of the legality of the situation, you replied asking what my post had to do with that posters opinion you have continually attempted to keep that issue front and centre. Now you're saying I'm responsible for keeping that issue going, classic Gaslighting.

I haven't offered any solutions, I have merely commented on the fact that the state continues to bring asylum seekers into the country despite the absolute lack of housing for them as well as Irish citizens.

The idea that "Ireland is full" is seen as some sort of far right rhetoric when in reality it is an observable fact. Ireland is not able to house all the people living here regardless of where they come from and that is an enormous issue that there are no simple answers to.

What I find perplexing is the idea that bringing endless amounts of asylum seekers into a country with no housing available for huge numbers of people across all social strata, is the "kind" thing to do and that questioning that logic is in some way a display of intolerance or hatred.

Do people with intolerant views exist in this space? Of course, that doesn't equate to everyone who questions the wisdom of bringing endless numbers of asylum seekers into the country as being motivated by hatred.

It's the same answer that it has always been.

government need to start investing and building, more and more. There has always been a housing problem in this country. At the beginning of the state, in the 30s & 40s and again in the 60s & 70s. At least the governments in those years undertook large scale building.

we have 1.5 million Irish born living overseas, it's clearly obvious that governments have not been supplying services for our own population for decades. we may have 750,000 immigrants, but that is still less then the Irish born population.

There is serious mismanagement of funds and services which needs to be improved. Now.

I'm not interested in giving them a way out, I want the government to do what they should be doing. No point in putting there things off, start now.

social housing stock should never have been sold off. Future stock should be kept in state ownership.

(I say that as someone that grew up in social housing that later was purchased from the council)

You would find a lot less complaints about asylum seekers and refugees, if the people in the state thought they were being treated fairly, and that services are of a standard they deserve.

the asylum system is outrageously slow, this needs to be streamlined and made much faster, so we don't have people waiting years for decisions, the very most any decision should take us 9/12 months.

I believe every single immigrant living in this country should be required to register their domicile. This is normal in many other EU states, it's time we did it here.

I may have forgotten something.

Only if they have an appeal in. When all avenues are exhausted, they are given a deportation order and can not stay in DP Centre

Great post but that kind of sensible/constructive posting won't get many likes.

However if you said we should burn things, 36 likes right away! 😂