Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Well, those places that are being used are not purpose built refugee centres and are often placed in areas with zero amenities nearby (a valid criticism often made by the people living nearby). It's hard to see they could be intended to be used permanently by asylum seekers.

Ditto with the Ukrainian people, it would be be quite wrong to expect them to live in their current temporary accommodation for years - even a hotel room would be a horrible place to raise a family. You'd have to assume there are plans to move the vast majority out of temporary accommodation at some point.

In a perfect world this makes sense. Make my words, all these people will still be where they are 12/24 months from now.

The government has no plan, this is painfully clear. Also too much money to made from the current situation. Nothing will change.

If they intend to keep refugees, asylum seekers and the Ukrainian people in these locations for years - places that were never intended for this type of accommodation - then yes, that would be a disgrace. Some of the places are probably quite nice and in good locations with lots of facilities nearby but others are clearly unsuitable for longterm use.

It’s permanent, the Ukrainians are here to stay and we’ll have more coming shortly to get in before any changes for new arrivals. Plus O’Gormans 15k per annum. Still hotel rooms available despite the effect on our tourism industry that will be decimated in a couple of years.

As Ukrainians don't require visa's what's to stop them going out and getting work and paying for their own accommodation? Why is the state on the hook for someone coming over here, by their own fruition, and then deciding they suddenly have nowhere to stay? Very hard to have sympathy for people who purposely make themselves homeless.

As for asylum seekers, they should be provided a basic level of food and accommodation until such time as their application is successful or rejected. At which time, they too should have to support themselves and find work/accommodation.

And if any of those groups don't like it then there's nothing keeping them here.

I was asked to provide information on the benefits of

I was asked to provide information on the benefits of immigration to Ireland and I did that with the mcwilliams link. You clearly haven't listened to it and will therefore remain ignorant to his analysis based on real data and to be honest I've no interest in engaging with your stream of uninformed negative bile.

it looked like it was going to be some rental scheme but there must be more dosh in this.

You haven't listened to his podcasts if you're still asking the same questions about how they contributed to ireland. It's literally covered in the specific podcast link. Its like me giving you a book and you coming back asking me what's in it instead of reading it. Won't be replying to any more of your pointless tone deaf comments.

You sound a bit obsessed.

My original post said this:

" The British person remembers that their was one Black kid and one Asian kid in their class in the 1970s. They didn't notice the gradual changes, until they noticed their grandchild is the only white kid in their class at the same school in the 2020s. They rode public transport and noticed it was a " bit " multicultural, until one day they noticed they were the only English speaker on the bus. They were comfortable and encouraging of with what they thought was " a bit of Multi Culturalism ", then one day they realised what they actually had multiple " Mono Culturalism ", where various areas of their local town were not actually " multi cultural " but were a distinct single cultural ghettos, for want of a better word, living parallel lives, with not only imported culture but even violent rivalries and bigotries with other groups who had their own " Mono Cultural " areas in other parts of the same English town. They have realised they " can't afford to have children " but others can have large " single mother families " and will be provided for, and due to the endless influx, they will remain bottom of the priority list. They have seen multi million pound housing developments spring up and realised the local council put them at the bottom of the list, and these flats are for others. "

The point I was clearly making was about the remarkable rate of change

I suppose you would like to catch the nasty far right man out saying something bad about colour of skin.

But discussions about uncontrolled mass immigration have long passed the " waycism " point. There are valid conversations to be had about numbers, and resources and the impact of disjointed societies and whether " multi culturalism " is actually a positive and productive ideology. About social cohesion, and the ability for a welfare state or social democracy to manage when there is an uncontrolled iunplanned for influx.

They didn't notice a gradual changes over 50 years? Were they blind? There is also no such thing as uncontrolled mass immigration, it's all controlled.

I've no interest in catching you out. What you said is clear and obvious. We need to be careful about mass immigration because we don't want to end up in a situation where whites are the minority in class rooms etc etc.

So, there are only benefits. No negatives ?

You can't engage with my point that the likes of McWilliams, media commentators, broadsheet journalist and politicians can hold these opinions because their employment and place in society is completely unthreatened by uncontrolled mass immigration. They face no competition for their jobs, no impact to their industries. They enjoy only the benefits in the form of their cleaner, barista and gardener. You can't name one senior media figure or political figure who has their employment threatened by these " younger, better educated, more motivated " types, because it does not happen. It's the working class who have a more complex relationship with the a glut of younger, better educated, more motivated folk unexpectedly entering their world.

I'm sorry, you really don't have a clue. Clearly if you are relying on David McWilliams to inform you about the impact of , rather than giving example from your own lived experience, you clearly you have none of. Come back after you have left education and lived a little.

Again, that's not uncontrolled immigration. There is a process in place that cannot be bypassed. There is a process in place to deal with everyone issue you've outlined.

So you now do accept that you have an issue with classrooms having too many non-white people in them?

Who said anything about classrooms having " too many non white people in them " ? You, not me.

We don't have to use Britain over the last 70 years as an example.

We use any country that has been subject to rapid immigration and change in terms of human timescale. Instead of Britain, we could take Palestine. I wonder if the Palestinians are happy with the scale and rate of Jewish Immigration ? I wonder if the Palestinians are feel the benefit and enrichment of a rapid and huge influx of younger, better educated, more motivated immigrants has been a benefit like David McWilliams would suggest ? I wonder if Palestinians feel that such large scale immigration has enriched them with " multi culturalism " or whether they feel it has led to " Mono Culturalism " whereby the immigrant group has created their own separate community ?

Classic! Cant wait to see the prog sophistry try to square this one.