EV Depreciation 2023

Let’s park the environment argument, I’m not saying there isn’t an argument, and there is definitely a break even point where evs are better, but I suspect the case is still that running a 02 Yaris for 400kms and 25 years wins out; but capitalism and human desire is an issue.

regarding costs the 02 Yaris also wins, but a 50k PHEV will have the same access to cheap electricity. It will also do 80k without the engine even warming up, if the grid is such it will use renewable electricity, it also uses less raw materials, and given the ice will only run about 10% of the time it will last forever.

The mistake people made with PHEVs was they went out and bought bmws and Volvos which are for the most part Procrustean efforts.

Yes, I am a Toyota fan, but it’s hard not be be impressed by the sheer simplicity and elegance of their current hybrids and PHEVs from an engineering perspective; and the fact they appear to be largely faultless bears testimony to this.

In fairness Im referencing people with no home charging or people needing more than 5 seats (who don't deal drugs😂) or someone who tows. Ive on many previous occasions agreed that for all others an EV should be on their list if upgrading new or used

Charge a phone is less than €0.05. charging a car for a couple of hours could be 2 or 3 euro depending on what charger they have and the rate they are on.

So yeah, I'd let someone charge their car for an hour, but ask them to revolut me €5.00... seems fair to me.

Also in relation to car depreciation, we have VRT, Dealers (Stealers) and to and extent RHD to blame for that. RHD and VRT (among the other import taxes) severely limit the market to the average Joe. The markup dealers are making on second hand and new cars is ridiculous. I for one would never buy a car from the UK again (at least not one over 2 or 3 years old.... Rust buckets)

Like if second hand car is on sale for €20,00, the trade price is probably around €12,000 or less.

Some of the Newer EV companies are trying hard to cut out the dealer network as it makes the price of their vehicle uncompetitive compared to ICE vehicles.

I've no issue with the paying for it part. The previous poster said it's ridiculous to ask someone if you can charge your car. 99% of people wouldn't want 5eur anyway, assuming it's not every other day you're looking to charge.

How about you're having friends or family members over with multipe EVs looking for a charge to get home. Id have no issue with someone seeking a charge if they needed it but for a lot of EV drivers free electricity is like cocaine, they wont know when to stop😂. Remember the locals hogging the free public changers.

It will be the same with feee work charging when a significant proportion of workers are driving EVs, que a new IR problem

Assuming they are available of course.

Assuming they are free (unlikely) and my business is done before the procrastination surcharges kick in (highly unlikely).

I’m just demonstrating why many of the general populace are not too anxious to take the Sh models bought by the early adopters, that’s the thread topic I think.

He's not "finding reasons" merely stating what are actual valid reasons.

You really think that's going to happen, lol, worst case scenario some classics will be exported. That stop oil brigade are unhinged. Little did I think Patrick Moore would be a conspiracy theorist hated by the greens rolling into 2024.

You would be one of the good ones, I had a LL once refuse to allow me to install a hub controller (wifi connected thermostat) worst thing is it would have cost neither of us anything

Some LLs see the smallest things as unwanted hassle

They were saying a few years ago 2030 would be the limit for new sales and from 2040 an ICE wouldn't pass the NCT

The goalposts keep moving on that though