Jeffrey Epstein documents unsealed

Anywhere to get the documents?

Clinton, trump. Kimmell according to Aron Rodgers.

Will get interesting.

Love the way the MAGA crowd are throwing out names as if everyone didn’t see all the pictures of Trump and Epstein together for years

Its explosive to be fair. Given the crimes Epstein commited.

Prince Andrew accuser apparently mentions Stephen Hawking in a very risky situation

I really hope that one's not true in any way shape or form.

Alan Dershowitz mentioned as having sex with a 13 year old, he also helped set up the immunity agreement in Florida for Epstein (and himself).

It’s all a very light breeze in a teacup at this stage- what information did people think would be released? We’ve heard all the stories that people have told to date - while there’s a huge amount of conspiracy, the main abuse throughout all of this appears to be coming from Epstein.

Ive absolutely no faith in what Guiffre says considering she wrongly accused two other people and at this stage, as much as I think Prince Andrew is a maroon, I’m inclined to believe it less likely now that he had sex with her.

Guilt-by association seems to be the biggest crime here

Interesting if true

Theres no evidence that occurred

Yeah, you might want to read a bit more carefully before jumping in with both feet. The only evidence we have of that such a claim was advanced is from Epstein himself, in a 2015 email to Maxwell. Epstein wasn't a girl, and I doubt that the #believerher maxim is intended to apply to male perpetrators.

Jimmy Kimmel has denied it and threatened to sue Rodgers.

Ricky knew.

DM has a quote from Jeffrey's brother Mark Epstein:

Re. the rumours about Prof. Stephen Hawking, well, Epstein himself sent emails denying anything salacious.

Epstein was a massive snob, a celebrity fanboy and an inveterate namedropper. While he certainly used his wealth to court celebrities, he was also well-known in his own circle for claiming or implying an association with celebrities that, in fact, he had never met, or for claiming or hinting at knowledge about celebrities which, in fact, he did not have.

In short, Epstein himself is a massively unreliable witness about who he knew, and what he knew about them. By all means treat with the utmost respect what Epstein's victims say that they themselves experienced or witnessed. But anything that Epstein said, or anything that his victims or associates report him as having said, needs to be taken with a very large grain of salt.

I'm not sure if I'd put much belief in that. Epstein most likely engaged in plenty of bullshit peddling too or equally his brother could be bullshit peddling. I'd put a lot more credibility in what was stated to authorities.

I take your point wholeheartedly about Epstein's reliability but still, considering it was a private email, it looks more likely than not to be a genuine statement - without over analysing it that is.

My main point is that there’s been a hell of a lot of hot air about Epstein over the last number of years; how he had the good and the great in his pocket; cameras all over his house capturing dozens or hundreds (depending on what rag you read) of famous people in compromising positions- the reality is a whole lot tamer than that and this latest “hype” just shows how little evidence there is of widespread abuse of underage or indeed of age girls, by famous people other than by Epstein himself.

It’s as if a name is mentioned in these files and people go oh look, x person is mentioned, he must be a pedo- without even reading the context in which they’re mentioned. And often there’s very little to go on anyway to form any clear view either way

I was expecting a list of CEOs of companies and other similar industry leaders and all sorts of accusations but this naming has been quite a non event so far.

It’s very possible- 96% of civil claims in America of this nature are settled in advance of going to full court hearing -you could have many reasons why you wish to settle- the only real “evidence” in this case besides Guiffres testimony was a photo taken in Maxwells London flat of Andrew and Guiffre - Andrew had previously denied being upstairs there and denied ever meeting Guiffre- that photo essentially put paid to that statement - it was game over for him - a judge based on probability would have sided with Guiffre- paying out whatever sum doesn’t legally assume guilt - court of public opinion obviously may differ - but I can see why Andrew was forced to settle, mainly due to the Queens upcoming coronation but also because Andrew taking the stand would not have been pretty.

Whether he had sex with her or not will never be fully determined unless new damning evidence or a confession from him is forthcoming- neither are likely- after that believe what you want- a settlement “proves” nothing but is quite damning in the court of public opinion and it obviously means game over for his royal career and rightfully so -neither you nor I can be proved right or wrong in our view so don’t bother trying with your catchy outy quoting of my posts - I’m immune to that lark at this stage

Just to be clear about Stephen Hawking, here's the mention of him in the document:

(this is the email in it's entirety, verbatim from the documents, spelling mistakes and all.)

There's also another mention of him, where Ms. Giuffre is requested to provide the original copies of any photos or video that she has of herself and a number of listed people, which includes Stephen Hawking. In response, Ms. Giuffre's representatives object to the request, on the grounds that she alleges that it is Jeffrey Epstein that has the media, not her.

It seems some people had the idea that the "Epstein List" was a document with "People I knew who had sex with children" at the top, and then a list of all their favourite "liberals" in alphabetical order below it. It's clearly not like that, and many people are "mentioned" in various contexts that don't amount to an allegation of wrongdoing at all.

Edit: there's a PDF version of the document here that's easy to search: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24253239/1324-epstein-documents-943-pages.pdf

In the frenzied fantasies of Maga/ Q-Anon world. Ignoring that Trump is actually on it and Mar-a-lago frequently on it.

The word "Trump" is mentioned 4 times in the documents (that I can find - there's an image on the previous page of this thread of another mention, but I can't find that text in my search, But even still, it doesn't imply any wrongdoing). One of those mentions is in relation to one of his casinos, and not to him personally. There's no indication that he was in the casino at the time. Here's the 4 mentions:

People really need to temper their expectations about what a "mention" in these documents actually means.

The man's a creep.

Thanks for posting that - was beginning to think I was participating in a conspiracy forum the way some posters have added 2 and 2 and got 47

The claim of Ireland being more culturally conservative compared to the US would be quite hard to argue these days. That sounds to me more like a Muslim country TBF.