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Plane on fire Haneda Airport Tokyo

  • 02-01-2024 9:30am
    #1
    Pacing Mule
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    Very bad fire being broadcast live on Sky News at the moment. Very much hope all passengers and crew have gotten off safely.



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  • #2
    Comhrá
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    Looks to be a Japan Airlines Airbus A350-900.

    Reports suggesting it collided with another aircraft after landing. Left engine nacelle appears to have some impact damage.



  • #3
    bennyx_o
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    Sky saying a collision with a smaller aircraft caused it. Chutes deployed so hopefully everyone got off OK



  • #4
    Pacing Mule
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    They're now reporting a possible collision with a smaller aircraft on the runway. :(



  • #5
    JohnC.
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    Coast Guard are looking at the possibility it collided with one of their planes.



  • #6
    Wanderer78
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    id imagine everyone got off safely, as they wouldnt be broadcasting it otherwise, expensive fire though....



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  • #7
    JohnC.
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    This is practically totally engulfed, end to end. Tail collapsed just now.



  • #8
    Gusser09
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    Collision with a smaller coast guard aircraft. Looks as if everyone got off safely thank god.



  • #9
    JohnC.
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    367 on board. All got off, thankfully.



  • #10
    bennyx_o
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    All 367 passengers off safely and no serious injuries thankfully



  • #11
    Pacing Mule
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    Surely there would be injuries if not fatalities on the coast guard plane. They keep saying nobody was killed or seriously hurt in the incident and quoting miracles etc.



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  • #12
    JohnC.
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    6 were on the Coast Guard plane. 5 remain unaccounted for.



  • #13
    Comhrá
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    Five coast guard members unaccounted for, sadly.



  • #14
    JohnC.
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    Saw the moment of collision on NHK. Hell of a fireball and significant fire over the plane as it rolled down the runway. Too dark and to far to really see the plane it collided with.



  • #15
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja13xj

    JA13XJ



  • #16
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Astonishing that the crew managed to get everyone off that plane, well done JAL


    The guardian reporting

    "The coastguard plane that appears to have collided with a Japan Airlines passenger plane today was part of Japan’s earthquake relief efforts, carrying supplies to Niigata airport."



  • #17
    igCorcaigh
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    Amazing outcome for the passengers. 🙏

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1742128713041330334?s=20




  • #18
    JohnC.
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    Surprisingly calm there.



  • #19
    alentejo
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    RIP to the casualties on this incident. While awful, it is testimony to modern civil aircraft and the safety systems to which they operate under that everyone on the Japan Airlines aircraft managed to evacuate.



  • #20
    Padre_Pio
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121560679#Comment_121560679

    Yep, I'd say most of us have sat through the safety briefing well over a dozen times at this stage.



  • #21
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121560732#Comment_121560732

    what, theres a safety briefing!



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  • #22
    artanevilla
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    The plane landing was still going a fair clip.



  • #23
    Sexual Chocolate
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    Amazing that everyone got off. Those A350 flights are domestic only so operate in a typical high config and apparently in this case only 3 doors were in operation for evacuation.



  • #24
    JohnC.
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    The Coast Guard plane was a Dash 8, so not that small either.



  • #25
    Noxegon
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561095#Comment_121561095

    Japan is a society founded on rules and respect. I'd put money down that few if any tried to bring their hand luggage with them.

    If this had happened anywhere else, the outcome may well have been very different.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • #26
    Turner
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    Was watching it on Sky News.


    Why on earth was there no fire brigade response to extinguish the fire. It burned for at least 20 mins with only one fire engine sporadically spraying it with foam, and not dampening the fire at all.


    Surely every fire unit in the airport should have been on scene within a few minutes and doused the fire immediately.



  • #27
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561279#Comment_121561279

    caught up with earthquake search and rescue, maybe......



  • #28
    Turner
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    I doubt you leave an international airport with no fire cover, or one tender with a crew who dont know how to put out a fire.



  • #29
    steve-o
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561279#Comment_121561279

    Perhaps they decided to focus their resources at the crash site a mile away trying to find and save the missing people?



  • #30
    knucklehead6
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    RIP to the 5 who died. But leaving that aside i'd say there were a few relieved heads in Toulouse when it came to light that there was another aircraft involved



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  • #31
    The Macho Man
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    Found this very good video on the tube of the ATC recording. 15 secs in they have zoomed in, you can just about make out the other aircraft. I have to say its a miracle no one on the Airbus was injured or killed but condolences to the coast guard members families.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fItu5qM7QfE




  • #32
    Noxegon
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561279#Comment_121561279

    The plane was clearly going to be a total loss and given that there's precious little value in risking firefighters' lives – better to let it burn.

    See also Emirates Flight 521 – https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/dubai-airport-fire-emirates-plane-crash-landing-latest-firefighter-tributes-a7171716.html

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • #33
    Turner
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    Surely with the deaths of 5 people the area was a crime scene, and evidence should have been secured or saved. voice recorders, black box etc.


    And at that stage surely they could not have confirmed that all passengers were off the burning plane.


    There were two fire tenders present when the passengers were exiting the plane and only a small fire was visible. Neither were tackling the fire.


    The fire tenders have booms above the cabs that can douse the entire aircraft without firemen having to tackle the fire. One fire tender spraying it sporadically over 20 minutes was unreal to see at an international airport.



  • #34
    10-10-20
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    Did anybody else see the video posted by the BBC which was taken by a passenger after the plane had come to a standstill and the flames were lighting up the window? I'm amazed at the patience and discipline of the passengers as they waited for further instruction. I wonder would the same experience happen here or would elements of society be climbing over others in a race to save themselves? Amazing outcome for such an tragic event.



  • #35
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562435#Comment_121562435

    ...oh we d kill each other to try get out alright....



  • #36
    Locker10a
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562435#Comment_121562435

    Oh it would have been very different elsewhere and panicked selfish passengers could have easily caused fatalities if things were different



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  • #37
    jmayo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561279#Comment_121561279

    Because they were dealing with other aircraft fire where the crew hadn't made it out.

    Also if they knew all crew+passengers were out then they were not going to risk fire crews.

    As for airport fire crews going off to help with earthquake, you can't do that as you can't take crews away from airport and still have it operate as normal.

    Also by the looks of some pics/videos the initial fire crews did job of making sure exists for passengers were not impinged by fire.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #38
    Storm 10
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562079#Comment_121562079

    There was an Aviation expert on Sky talking about the Fire Tenders and he said they would not attempt to put out the fire until they were sure all passengers were out as putting foam under high pressure on the aircraft will spread it and could kill a passenger, the aircraft was a write off so get all out then tackle the fire, makes sense.



  • #39
    endacl
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    Maybe the dealt with it the way they dealt with it because they knew what they were doing and that’s the way they had been trained to successfully deal with it?



  • #40
    mikewebber
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121560679#Comment_121560679

    I would question a fire like that

    F1 cars can have impacts without a fireball these days



  • #41
    Astral Nav
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    F1 cars do not have multiple tonnes of fuel on board and do not strike and drag 18 tonne aircraft also with lots of fuel.

    Have fun questioning a fire too.



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  • #42
    mikewebber
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121570391#Comment_121570391

    Explain



  • #43
    kippy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121569427#Comment_121569427

    What part of it would you question?



  • #44
    Storm 10
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    This is not good surprised that the lights would not be repaired

    https://news.sky.com/story/japan-plane-crash-runway-warning-lights-were-unserviceable-at-time-report-says-13042231



  • #45
    AMKC
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    Ms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574071#Comment_121574071

    Do you know what I think happened

    I think that air traffic control must have said to the Coast Guard aircraft that they had permission to enter the runway when the JAL airplane lands and the Captain must have misheard it as permission to enter the runway then.

    What is the story about the Two black box's from the JAL airplane? Surely they are recoverable. Does the Coast Guard plane have black boxs too?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #46
    JohnC.
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    The Coast Guard plane does have them and they were recovered quite quickly. Last I heard, the JAL data recorder was found yesterday, but not yet the voice recorder.



  • #47
    AMKC
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    Ms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121577812#Comment_121577812

    That is good to know.

    Awe OK. They are made to withstand extreme heat it must be just finding it in all the degrees I suppose of the smouldering burnt out plane fuselage.

    Hopefully they find it. My own take is I take the coastguard plane had probably thought they had been given permission to go and moved out unto the runway and then the JAL plane hit it when landing.

    This piece below say there is signs of damage of the fuselage of both planes ,

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20240103_20/


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #48
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574198#Comment_121574198

    The ATC transcripts does not back that up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VuXT7Twyc




  • #49
    Tenger
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562079#Comment_121562079

    They very much were able to confirm that all passengers were off. Thats what the cabin crew do.

    They sweep the cabin before getting off themselves. They use megaphones to signal to each other that their area is "clear".

    They have the number of passengers, they corral them into groups of 20-30 to allow counting. The fire service would know the "souls onboard" before they get to the airraft.



  • #50
    Tenger
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574071#Comment_121574071

    This is not an uncommon situation.

    NOTAMs (notice to airmen) are issued regularly for airports with information like this.

    Its not optimal but many airports operate normally with certain lights unserviceable for a day or two.


    And this is where the CVR from the CoastGuard aircraft will be invaluable, did the crew discuss this NOTAM before pushback, were they aware of it, did ATC make thm aware of it, etc etc......



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