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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    In the case of Georgians, Albanians and Nigerians, you check their passports and then send them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,158 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wow, brilliant!

    you should go work in the IPO, looks like you can sort it all out.

    Oh apart from clearly not understanding or caring about the actual law in our country🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Voting independents may be the best strategy. Some of them appear to actually care about their constituents. Cram the dail full of independents and maybe there could be a chance for Ireland.

    Sinn Fein would be an absolute waste of a vote. They have started making noises about wanting controlled immigration ( only because of upcoming elections) and they immediately temper it with " the Irish went all over the world"

    Believe me Sinn Fein would be useless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭tom23


    They'll get the pick of the bunch Id imagine... they won't be bussed in at 12 midnight either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    It'll be actual doctors/nurses etc. and their sad story and improvement to the irish nation will be plastered all over all irish Main Stream Media to emphasise how caring we are, but will of course completrly neglect to mention busloads of unvetted males being shipped around the country in the early hours.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    I'm willing to give them the chance to prove me wrong. Voted FG for years and it's lead the country nowhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,059 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I genuinely believe that Sinn Fein do not want to get into power and prefer to just shout from the sidelines.

    All they had to do was take a sensible approach to immigration and they would have been certainties.

    The fact that all those pro Palestine protests I have seen have all had Sinn Fein reps involved.

    I would genuinely fear they would open the country to people from Palestine and Hamas terrorists could end up here or alot of people with PTSD.

    It is that reason alone that I have gone from them getting my number 1 vote to giving them nothing at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    It is a valid concern. I am happy enough with immigration and I think we should take a share of refugees from nearby areas in need (such as Ukraine), but I don't think we should be taking refugees from all over the world. I think many people are concerned about what is happening in Gaza, but I am puzzled by the obsession SF have with Palestine, to the extent that their leader (and possible future leader of Ireland) has a Palestinian flag on her Twitter bio and has had it for a long time, way before Oct 7th.

    I mean I can't be the only one that finds this really bizarre. They couldn't have given a crap about the Russian invasion of Ukraine (the only thing they did was scrub their website of pro-Russia stuff), the war in Ukraine has a much greater impact on life in Ireland which is what I would expect our sup[posed future leader to be concerned with!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Nuts - you beat me to it. Sinn Fein would have half of Gaza in Ireland and have been completely absent in any opposition to government putting refugees around the country.

    Ukrainians get a better deal than Irish down on their luck and Sinn Fein didn't complain about it.

    It's only very, very recently they even broached the subject. For me it's too little too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭dmakc


    "The Victorian building off Clyde Road and adjacent to Herbert Park was used as a nursing home up to 2020. It had until recently been owned by Richmond Homes which put the property on the market for €7 million in September, just months after securing planning permission for a controversial 64-unit Build-to-Rent (BTR) scheme.

    In a briefing document for public representatives issued this week, the department said the building was now owned by Goldstein Property Irish Collective Asset Management and leased by Burvea Unlimited Company on a five-year lease"

    So a Build-to-Rent has been dropped in favour of accommodating Asylum Seekers. Yet another two finger solute from the government towards those that elected them.

    The forecasted 15,000 AS per year is not driven by moral ethics, but capitalism. At this stage, anyone defending this mess is either financially incentivised, or not worth the time of day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    I would say either financial incentivised or fooled by those who are financially incentivised.

    I maintain that the manipulation of Left leaners into not just tolerating but fanatically defending what remain, at core, murderously capitalistic politics and processes has been the most stunning propaganda coup of the 21st century.

    It has been identified by corporatists that a certain, key demographic are easily led around by their own sense of self-righteousness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,158 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Repubicanism in Ireland has always been pro Palestine, there have been Palestinian flags flying at Sinn Fein and IRA rallies and commemorations since the start of the PIRA.

    It's a view that has seeped into everyday thinking in this country. They view Palestine as somehow the same as Ireland and Israel are The same as the big bad Brits.

    also Sinn Fein are cheerleaders for all terrorist organisations that they consider ' freedom fighters '



  • Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Oh, I know that, I am well aware. I was just responding in agreement to the poster above about the possibility of taking lots of people from Gaza if SF get into power. I don't think it would be something that a lot of people would want personally, it makes more sense for neighbouring countries like Jordan and Egypt to be helping out here IMO.

    I get the connection between Republicanism and Palestine (although I think it is arseways personally and would view the arabs as being more akin to the Scots Ulster and the jews as being similar to the indigenous Irish). What I don't get is the obsession with it by SF, do you not think it looks really, really odd that our supposed future leader has a Palestinian flag permanently on her Twitter bio?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Yes, a very good post.

    Some of these dogmatic and sanctimonious ‘lefties’ I know ( in the real world, not Boards) would have felt very much at home in the former German Democratic Republic. Scary people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,158 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Oh God yeah, but if be fairly sure that was ordered from the actual leaders of her party.

    once an ally of terrorists, always an ally of terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,059 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    There are 500,000 adults living at home and thousands of young skillfull young people leaving each year.

    Their are 13,000 people listed as homeless here.

    That is 513,000 people who need to be housed before anyone else arrives here.

    Where are we going to put these 15,000 people unless they jump the queue ahead of the 513,000 already waiting to be housed.

    You know the doctors and engineers that we are told about, well they are not going to come here with a housing crisis and the cost of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Eastern European doctors and engineers not only don't come here anymore, some of them who were here for years are going back, all because of the housing cost and shortage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭creeper1


    That's probably the reason they destroy said passports.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    We’ll be lucky to have a nursing home left in 20 years at this rate



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I'm confident by then we will have adopted the Candian style approach to health care and that problem will be taken care of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    That's disingenuous claiming 500,000 living at home are homeless. They're not.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭Gamergurll




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I don't see where it was claimed they're homeless?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Not sure if related, another fire(no mention of whether it was to be used for immigrants), unused national school in Tipperary - https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0104/1424748-ferthard-arson/

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    One of the greatest things we've given ourselves is the vote. Ye olde universal sufferage. I doesn't matter if you're 18 with no money or education and you live in a council flat or you're 18 from a rather nice area of the country and you're considering your electives in 2nd year in Uni. When you boil it down, your votes are equal.

    This is where I get so irritated with the govt. We've been promised all sorts of things on the doorsteps over the years. Vote for me and ...

    What happens after the election? The parties get together cut up the national cake and that fella in the council flat gets forgotten about. He may or may not have voted, who cares? The govt. doesn't have to worry about him for another 5 years and sure he may have emigrated by then. Win win. The thing is, that fella in the council flat and all his mates, aren't leaving. They see how things are here and they want change. They may not have the education or the money of that other fella who was considering his electives in Uni, but they do have a vote and they're going to vote, for anyone but the current shower in office.

    The thing that really irritates me, is that if the current shower in office had actually done their jobs, that young fella and his friends wouldn't be considering voting them out of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Would all of those 500,000 be living at home if the option to have their own dwelling was available?

    The idea that the homeless figures of 13k are a true representation of how many people are unable to house themselves is an absolute exercise in spin by the authorities.

    I know people who are desperate to leave home but can't even find a room in a shared rental.

    Grown adults can't build and develop romantic relationships in these situations, peoples lives are passing them by.

    However the homelessness crisis is framed by the officialdom of Ireland the truth is much worse and far more damning.

    We have figures relating to people in crisis situations around the 13k mark, the actual demand for accommodation far outstrips that number and we all bloody well know that to be the case, all of us who aren't adherents to whatever "be kind" adenga de jour it is at any given time.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Irish people have always lived at home for a long time because "rent is dead money". I have a friend who is 46, never lived away from home, but actually finally housed by the council in SCD there recently in a new build. Now, he could have moved out at some point between 1996 and today if he had have put his mind to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    In other news the grass is green.

    Irish people have always been able to form relationships, get married have kids and live in their own houses. Until now.

    The majority of people haven't historically stayed at home because rent is dead money, saying so trivialises very real problems people are facing.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123



    Nonsense.

    There was and always will be mammys boys afraid to leave the tit or others staying at home for a particular reason.

    The scale of the issue now the vast majority of people in a certain age bracket(which is expanding) are stuck at home due to a mixture of not being able to afford to rent and trying to save for a mortgage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Ah yeah, but that's personal choice. Mum and Dad will put up with me if I give them a few quid a week. Grand, if that's what you're into.

    However, we now have the daft situation highlighted in the news a few days ago of nurses and doctors etc., moving back to Germany and Spain to live and flying into to Dublin to work and staying in student nurses digs on site that haven't been used in donkeys years. Why? Good old lack of housing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    There are many who would like to move out but cannot, there are plenty more who stay at home because it is comfortable. Rent might be very expensive now, but it is still doable in house shares for most. It was always like this, although now it is obviously a higher proportion of take home pay than it would have been 15 years ago say. If you can afford to move out (i.e. you have enough after tax to pay rent, bills and food etc) and you choose not to, because say "it's expensive", then you are choosing to stay at home. Also, I am not sure it is the states responsibility to house anyone who wants to move out. If you choose to stay at home, then you should be saving like a lunatic for a deposit and taking advantage of the low costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,059 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Maybe read the post again and edit your post.

    Just more lies and misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That comes across again as really quite naïve. You're acknowledging correctly that successive administrations haven't delivered in a fair way for the people of the state.

    But on the other hand, you're happy to campaign to take in all & sundry and sure, ah well - we'll build loads infrastructure etc etc. That's irresponsible IMHO. The facts of the matter are that state policy outside major urban areas for decades, has been to amalgamate, reduce and close services. This is not going to change.

    Everyone in this house will vote and I'll guarantee you, none of our children would even contemplate a vote for the current parties. They talk of SF, we'll look to independents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It was never like this.

    There is a shortage of housing to purchase or rent, the idea that "it's doable in house shares" is possibly the most disconnected thing I've seen posted on this site in years.

    What adult wants to live their life sharing an apartment or house with random people with absolutely no security whatsoever? What scope for a normal existence does that have exactly?

    And even for those who are saving "like a lunatic" whilst living at home, the housing market is so limited and cut throat there's absolutely no guarantee of them being able to make a purchase when they get mortgage approval, getting outbid or dealing with unscrupulous estate agents and sellers, most people lucky enough to be in that position will be dealing with a level of stress they never would have expected.

    Into this maelstrom of misery we're pouring tens of thousands of people from outside the state who incidentally are even more vulnerable than the people already in the country and expecting there to be no ill effects.

    But yeah, all those people in their parents houses in their 40's are all just there because they're comfortable and possibly lazy.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's certainly our experience and when I look at neighbours and family, the vast bulk of 20-30 yr olds are either living at home or left the country. I can think of one neighbours child who managed to buy. The situation is a shocking indictment of governments of the past two decades. And boy will the chickens come home to roost. Out, out, out as Maggie Thatcher said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Nope, not naieve. Just because the current shower in office have mismanaged things is no excuse to throw out our obligations to Refugees and Asylum seekers. As I've said before, it isn't their fault that successive govts. here have failed to invest in the people or the infrastructure.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn



    I would counter with "what adult wants to be living at home with their parents?". At least moving out to a house share they become actual adults, supporting themselves rather than living in their childhood bedrooms.

    There is no guarantee that saving like a lunatic will result in being able to buy, but it is taking control and doing something productive, stacking the odds in your own favour rather than waiting helplessly for someone else to come along and do something for you. There is a lot of "financial fatalism" in the younger generations. I remember something similar around 2006, many thinking they could never buy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Look we care about Irish people first and their needs. The rest can stay away, you have that clear?? Unless they have work permits. Away with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Why am I not surprised that you would counter my argument with something that completely ignores the reality of the situation?

    Tell me, where are these people to go?

    There is a shortage of places for them to buy or rent, that's the issue here.

    People who should be able to rent or buy their own places are stuck against their will in their childhood bedrooms because if they're not in those childhood bedrooms they're going to be adding to that figure of 13k+ officially listed as homeless.

    You're framing it as an issue of choice or laziness which is both ignorant of the reality of the situation and insulting to those in that situation.

    Do you believe that is a situation that is crying out for tens of thousands of additional human beings to be added to it?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    There is a shortage of places for rent of course, but we have people coming here to work from abroad all the time and managing it. Including nurses etc from India and they manage to find something. Maybe not ideal, maybe too expensive, but they still manage it.

    The only way to improve the situation is to increase supply obviously. I agree there are many who have been forced back home in their 40s against their will, but there are also plenty of people (I can think of about 10 I know off the top of my head, might be different if you didn't grow up in a council estate) who are in their 40s and never moved, despite being through multiple economic cycles and times when rents were quite cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So we should ignore the housing crisis as an idea because you're offering some anecdotal evidence about people you know?

    You do realise that companies bring people into this country to work in specific roles and either provide accommodation or subsidise their accommodation costs because of their roles importance to the business? My own employer has rented houses in the past to do this to house staff from outside the state, some of whom were only here Monday to Friday.

    Everything you have presented here is both removed from reality and insulting to vast swathes of the population but somehow you still feel like your hot take of "these people are lazy" can be substantiated by your own anecdotal evidence.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Hospitals are not doing this for nurses. Where did I say we should ignore the housing crisis? We need to provide more supply, which will obviously take time despite what some people think. We can't magic up constructions workers to work on housing developments. On an individual level we can't really do much, but we are in control of our own response, such as getting ourselves in a position to buy a property if living at home.

    The reality is that it is a bit more nuanced than you are suggesting and yes, there were always plenty of people who didn't move out and not because they couldn't afford it. I think also the younger generation is used to a bit more comfort, say compared to my generation (I am early 40s)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Rubbish. Consider that we have something like 500 AS/Refugees sleeping in tents, hence are now included in the 'homeless' figures. The government are probably just playing a game of semantics, earmarking that building for "homeless"; while in reality, it's been ring fenced for AS, albeit 'homeless' ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    This discussion is about the effect ls of immigration into the state.

    In relation to accommodation, which is in severely short supply, brining large numbers of people into the state is demonstrably unwise.

    The issue of the housing crisis is not going to be easy to solve, adding extra people into the mix should be handled very carefully as a result, which is not happening right now.

    I would suggest that your assertion about people being comfortable at home and unwilling to put themselves in a position to procure their own accommodation is extremely presumptuous and trivialises a large number of peoples lived experience based on your own limited anecdotal evidence.

    I'm a similar age to you, and I do own my own home but that doesn't give me the right to scoff at people in a less fortunate position to me, I know people my age who have slogged hard and scrapped together the resources to buy a house and I know others who have done all of that and have not been fortunate enough for that to happen for them. Nobody is under any illusions that it is possible to sit back and let their elderly parents look after them indefinitely, the idea that it is a lifestyle choice for a significant number of people is frankly bizarre and comes across as condescending.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    We have an obligation in particular to Ukrainians to provide refuge. We should be ideally looking to give quick decisions to others and if unsuccessful, then actually deport them. Maybe also make airlines keep copies of IDs used to board planes so that the those who get rid of their passports can be identified properly.

    We also have plenty of people arriving because we actually need them to work in industry or the health service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,505 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's debatable how much of the housing crisis is caused by immigration. Non nationals tend not to buy houses or apartments, not unless their clear intention in advance is to remain in the country for ten years or more (or perhaps forever). So whilst they are undoubtedly adding to pressure on the existing rental market, they are much less of a factor when it comes to people buying houses and apartments and taking out mortgages etc.

    Which in turn means that prospective homeowners are not emigrating because of inward migration, but because of the balls up the government has made of the housing market.



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe




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