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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    What am I blatantly misinforming.

    I am saying there is very little usage of the cycle lanes and road space is at a premium.

    There is scope for moving some Dunlaoghaire bound buses faster, many people want to get from Stillorgan to Dunlaoghaire and the most direct route is via Carysfort Ave and onto Seapoint Ave, how is this disinformation.

    If there isnt a bus route on it create one and not one like the 114 which is maybe four buses a day.

    And yes, moving cars efficiently from A to B helps with congestion, having traffic backed up polluting the atmosphere while cycle lanes remain empty, what on earth is this achieving.

    Bus Connects wont work if buses are stuck in traffic jams along with cars, it has to be reliable, efficient and cheap or else people will prefer to drive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,918 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    this is along the same lines as the muppet in the Metro thread proposing to rip up the Luas, it's a stupid idea that wouldn't get past a single council meeting and isn't even worth debating. Xmas break is obviously the real silly season, time to update the ignore list.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Why is it a stupid idea, Surely is more stupid not to use a road for public transport when the alternative is for it to remain unused except for a handful of sunny days in the summer.

    I havent much time to engage with aggressive people who use words like muppet and stupid to denigrate others with opposing views.

    There is no good reason not to allow buses share the cycle lane on carysfort avenue, its unused for most of the day and an efficient bus service to Dunlaoghaire would bring customers to DunL to shop.

    And I mean s bus that isnt stuck in a traffic jam back to stillorgan village and then takes a meandering route to DL town centre.

    If people in stillorgan/ kilmacud etc had a frequent bus service using the route I suggested they would travel to DL for shopping and recreation.

    Time for common sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The network is already decided:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/big-picture-map-170920-oe-web.pdf

    Frequencies are here:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/a3-frequency-tables-061020-fa.pdf

    There already is a new service from Dundrum to Dún Laoghaire every 15 mins via Kilmacud, Stillorgan and Monkstown Ave. - the L25. It’s as direct as you can possibly get.

    The S8 links Sandyford and Dún Laoghaire every 20 mins via Newtownpark Ave and Monkstown Road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 GRUF


    Your favourite pastime is to say 'time for common sense' and then propose something ridiculous. To me, common sense is reducing private car journeys by reallocation of road space, and increasing the attractiveness of travelling in the following order:

    1. Walking
    2. Cycling
    3. Public Transport

    You have complained about many things already in the thread and they're personal anecdotes. You're using confirmation bias, and I have shown you stats that prove that your experiences are not the full picture. Like I said, I don't understand your proposals.

    As the others mentioned, BusConnects is fairly concrete at the moment, and it will be hugely successful if the major infrastructure changes proposed are carried out. This inevitably means a reduction in roadspace is required. The option is to reduce the space given to the most inefficient mode of transport. private cars, or take out infrastructure of one of the most efficient modes of transport, cycling. Hmmm

    I would urge you to think positively for once instead of ranting and raving about lack of cyclists. How much space is given to the most inefficient mode of transport, private cars??



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    The reason you can't see the cyclists is because they're already at their destination and not sitting in traffic!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    "All I saw was 2 men in lycra". Obviously trolling, they are all obsessed with the L word.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The current route that is in place for the L25 already takes the much quicker route in my mind when going from Stillorgan to Dún Laoghaire.

    And I say that because I live along that bus route which also includes the S8 in Newtownpark Avenue. If you had changed the L25 route to go down on the bike lanes on Carysfort Avenue. All of the bus stops along that road actually have detachable ramps to allow passengers to board the 114 bus when they are going down to Blackrock. The cyclists are allowed to pass over them when people are waiting for their bus.

    The BusConnects route through Carysfort Avenue; the L26 from Kilternan to Blackrock does terminate at the Dart Station. Any bus passengers using that route can then be to transfer onto the Dart to get to Dún Laoghaire. The L26 will be more frequent with a bus every 30 minutes. The 114 is a bus every hour when the route is between Blackrock & Ticknock/Rockview in Ballinteer.

    There is also the issue of the row of cars parked outside people's houses on one side of the road when you drive down after the traffic lights at the UCD Business School at Carysfort Avenue all the way to the traffic lights at Blackrock by-pass. The amount of road space available for passing traffic along that section of Carysfort Avenue is already a huge challenge for any vehicle to pass through it when you have heavy traffic passing on it every day.

    If you put a bus, a lorry or a truck on that road; it can take up a lot of very limited road space for other vehicles to go past it. The Executive Express buses also pass through Carysfort Avenue every weekday when going from Blackrock to Central Park in Leopardstown Road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    I already stated you didnt show me stats, youlinked to an old report.

    I wanted up to date cyclist use of the coastal route, Im a tregular user and i can see its empty most of the day, I know, i know the same old trply, there are zillions of cyclists, they are just invisible.

    i am spending a lot more time in traffic logjams so have time to observe, very few cycling, time to start counting and release the figures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    like no one cares if you haven't seen many people on it, it's not going anywhere, so suck it up



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Consonata


    As of 2022. Eyeballing it about 1500-2000 using the route in the low season, with it dropping off around winter time, with it nearly tripling in the summer period. This will only continue to get better over time.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Do you have the stats on the road usage there? I haven't seen any traffic jams there that're out of the ordinary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Google maps will give you the information you need re traffic jams.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I'm talking about figures though, surely there's a before and after out there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Again, thats why dated, any figures fir 2023, as I said as a walker, cyclist driver I see very few cyclists using this facility.

    Its not likely to increase much as the real growth will be in electric bikes and scooters with high speed motors and they will be banned from this cycle lane anyway, banned from all cycle lanes, not that that will be enforced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    It suits me grand, have it all to myself, Im just offering an opinion on yje little usage on it when its causing massive issues elsewhere.

    The locals swanning around in dryrobes are benefitting, nice quiet road and then they get into their jeeps to motor to Dalkey for a change of scene.

    They are driving to Dalkey through the very narrow congested streets in Monkstown farm, this area is disadvantaged anyway but its now expected to take very big volumes of traffic while the coast road is empty for most if the day.

    Doesnt affect me either way.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Where is “there”, are you talking about s specific location.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Im not talking about every DL bound bus, Im saying that lane on carysfort ave is not used.

    It could be used as a bus lane to enable a bus to turn left, drive the length of the road to convent road, take priority at the lights and then its on the by pass.

    Then left turn onto Newtown Ave and straight run to Marine Road.

    There are so many elderly people who cant socislise now as driving and parking is too difficult.

    A local bus that gets them to DL without bringing them all around Monkstown would enrich their lives, the space is there so use it.

    Re the parking on Carysfort Ave, thats mostly used by residents, are you suggesting they should be left with nowhere to park their cars.

    I will agree to that when I see DLRCC disposing of their large carpark in DL

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    tell us more about these elderly people who can't socialise. why not exactly?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I don't know, I assumed that you had the figures to hand as you seemed so sure of the supposed worsening traffic there. Surely you're not basing your opinion on just your own observations? I mean, I've driven through the area quite a bit before and after the changes, and I don't see any difference in traffic.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Why is this bs in the bus connects thread?



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    The spaces they use to park in are gradually being eroded, hence my suggestion to use unused space to provide a bus service for them, it doesnt have to be a double decker, a mini bus would do.

    The importance is that it goes where the elderly want to go and thats to a church, the bridge club, the seafront, a coffee shop, all very accessible using the lane on Carysfort Ave, its better than leaving it idle as it is at the moment.

    The elderly used to use carysfort park when they could park beside it, never see that age group there now, their needs are way down the priority list.

    I take care of elderly family members and I can assure you removing parking spaces to make way for cycling lanes does make life difficult. If you have parking outside businesses you can off load someone into a hairdresser or a bank or a dentist, its much harder to do this when all parking is replaced by a cycle lane thats unused.

    Try and see issues from others points of view once in a while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Excuse me, my opinion is not bullshit.

    I am proposing a use for cycle lanes that are unused, well in my opinion anyway and apart from producing data from 2022 no one has any figures to counter my opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    I cant take this seriously and the peoplr who live in Dunlaoghaire, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Monkstown will tell you their daily lived experience, there is traffic congestion everywhere.

    As I said look at Google maps, I dont drive anywhere without checking it for least congested route.

    Also as the buses are already caught in traffic jams does anyone know whats going to happen if Tivoli Road is closed, this is the next carnage planned.

    There are plans too to build a new cycle lane on Stillorgan Park, some of the residents turns into the housing estates are to be removed which means more delay for everyone including bus drivers.

    No point is having buses every 15 mins if they are going to be idling in traffic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    what kind of elderly people are ok to drive around the place but not walk a bit? i hope they don't base city planning around me when i'm elderly and am just about to die, that's stupid policy.

    my mam and dad are 70 and 73 and walk/cycle every day as they like to get out and about and exercise, are they elderly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Chopper Dave


    What this is telling me is that cycling is a 'fair weather' mode of transport and is being used most extensively during the summer holiday period and during the times that the significant traffic generated by schools and third level colleges is lower or non-existent. All other modes of transport have higher usage in the Autumn and winter period - more cars, busier buses and trains - but fewer cyclists. So I do agree and have posted before that the congestion caused by the cycle lanes is impacting traffic significantly and will impact the success of the new BusConnects routes if they too cannot give priority. I share the view that a lot of the new cycle lanes are not extensively used and it's reasonable to query why cycling space is being prioritised over bus space.

    (Incidentally, it seems that the the March/April 2021 Cycling Counts were higher for some of those routes that the equivalent period in 2022 - you would expect this to be going up YOY if it was successful)



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 sive60


    Actually plenty of elderly people can drive but not walk very far, you appear to have very little empathy for anyone but yourself.

    Nobody is requesting that city policy be based around the elderly but you sneeringly asked about how removing parking affects the elderly and I explained it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i do not think we should plan our city around the fact that some elderly people might want to drive to places, no. none of my grandparents ever had any cars, how did they ever cope I wonder?

    anyway this is so off topic even though it's mildly entertaining.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Yeah, I'm sorry that I got involved, I had actually thought that this was a more relevant thread, but then realised that this was a BusConnects thread that's almost totally unrelated.

    I'd already reported a post in the hopes that this can be brought to an end, I recommend anyone else that wants a mod to chime in to do so as well.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    As I’ve already posted, the BusConnects network is pretty much cast in stone at this point, bar small modifications.

    They aren’t going to add new routes just because you think it’s a good idea. They have just launched two brand new routes in the area, the L25 and S8, which are high frequency and which are hardly indirect routes.

    The only bus that will be using Carysfort Avenue is the half-hourly L26.



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