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NCT - nearly half of the 1.5 million vehicles that did the test last year failed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Hmmm, how come there werent 1.5 million deadly crashes last year so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭User1998


    A new requirement? That article is 18 years old. NCT testers know how to find a VIN number. Theres only two or three possible locations. I’ve never once failed an NCT over this and I do over 50 of them a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,179 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    I don't know anyone who called or went onto the priority list online who didn't get an NCT before their current NCT expired. If you are waiting months for an appointment it's because you want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,794 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Which private garage is going to invest in the required equipment for €55 per test?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,179 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    We had private garages doing the DoE on commercial vehicles and it was such a corrupt sh1t show that the UK had to embarrass us into reforming it, nearly every Irish truck failed their roadside inspections even with a fresh DoE. The UK MOT is also riddled with corruption and extortion, Northern Ireland followed our system instead of the rest of the UK for their car checks.

    There is some corruption in our system but with private garages doing the test it would be way worse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,506 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    If some people believe handing this over to private entities will some how not be a licence to print money, they really are sheltered from the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,006 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Garages practically encourage people to just throw the car in NCT and then come back with a list of stuff to repair rather than look at the car twice. The stat isn't at all surprising.

    Besides bulbs, tyres and levels there isnt a whole lot else that a lay person is going to be qualified to maintain anyway, certainly not the out of sight innards. Many drivers aren't mechanically minded and dont really have a clue about their cars and what makes them go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,643 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That is so open to fraud that it would not be even vaguely considered these days.

    That fraud runs in both directions - false fails to get the unneeded 'repair' work are a significant problem with GBs shitshow of a system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    A bug bear of mine :D .. Lights, especially on new cars - LEDs. Does anyone else find these lights even on dips way brighter / Whiter than the older type Halogen lights on cars?

    Maybe its because many cars on the road now are higher up SUVs so when you are coming up against them in a regular saloon ( or MX5 roadster like me ) the dims even seem like full headlight?

    Could this be a reason they have a new standard of making the lights point down lower as you saw?

    One would wonder if this is a SAFETY issue as it seems to be, then why are govs very slow to deal with this? OR the EU perhaps. LEDS seem to have been just accepted as a halogen alternative, no questions asked

    "The RAC’s research suggests that the increasing prevalence of vehicles that sit higher on the road, specifically SUVs, might also be exacerbating the problem for those in conventional cars that sit much lower, like hatchbacks, saloons and estates. "

    https://www.axios.com/2023/02/26/car-headlights-too-bright-led



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah definitely, NCT is a great 2nd opinion lol

    Jesus didnt no about the Vin number, sounds like needless hassle for the testers & for customer’s alike if you have to get a retest



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,824 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    That article is from 2006, I think if it was actually an issue we'd have heard about it by now🙄





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Lights aren't the issue, it's our roads. Next time you're driving in the dark on an unlit road, pay attention to the beam cut off on your headlights. You'll notice it's going up and down constantly as your car is moving on the road surface as the road surface has dips, humps and bumps.

    Only time I've been flashed driving a car with LEDs is when the road surface tilts up meaning my lights are pointing up towards the oncoming cars. Usually it's brief, when I get a glare of LEDs coming towards me it's never an issue unless it's a Tesla. When I get flashed, I flash them back so they can see what my high beams really look at.

    LEDs are self leveling but they can't keep up with how uneven our roads are. Of course LEDs can be fit in properly from the factory but I imagine most people's issue is caused by the road surface.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Exactly, I completely forgot the NCT was due on my Golf after getting it serviced in September, managed to get a slot 3 weeks later. Can't remember what it is exactly but they've changed their booking now so something like 1/3 of their slots are online only for 2-3 week availability so you can definitely get a slot. And this is Dublin Fonthill which is busy. In the pre-Covid/lift issues I had to go somewhere in Kildare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭oceanman


    private garages test thousands of commercial vehicles and HGVs ever year...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    #tinfoil hat #thetruthisoutthere

    The NCT was set up under an EU directive that required the tests take place in a state owned facility. Lots of other EU countries have the same set up.

    Any business can tender to run the testing service when it up for renewal. We will never have an MOT style testing regime.

    A licence to print money is something like the M50 toll bridge or the mobile phone licences. Upfront cost but endless profits thereafter. The NCT and other State contacts are not like that.

    While Applus make a good profit, they have to invest in their business to run it, hire staff and train them an all that entails. After 5 years the RSA can just give that business to someone else. They take the risks and face fines for under-performance etc. The State shifts huge risks to the private sector by doing it this way.

    Post edited by hoodie6029 on

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,560 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's still an issue today, trust me especially with Tesla's sold 4 years ago lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,560 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's true but if the tester can't find it the onus is on the owner to find it or fail the car safety test

    Some new models have it behind the plastic door frame cover and testers are reluctant to take that off in case it breaks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Just to dig into the “massive profits” supposedly being made by the NCT.

    Im not going to quote figures for 2022 where they made a €1m loss.

    Year of 2021,

    they did 1,500,000 full tests @ €55, so revenue of €82m

    They did 475k retests @ €28 so revenue of €13m

    They did 200k free visual retests bringing in €0 revenue.

    For that they made profits of €2m. (2.1%)

    So basically €1.7m from the full retests, a profit of €1.13 per full test, and €275k from the lane retests, so €1.37 per retest.

    Or put another way, a profit of €40k per test centre per year.

    They put it out to retender a few years ago, and there was only one applicant. That’s how attractive it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The average age of the Irish fleet is now 9 years, up from 5.8 in 2007.

    With the removal of the UK market as a source of newer used vehicles, the average age is only going to increase, and failure rates will rise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    To be fair - 2007 was peak Celtic tiger and an anomaly, even by 2012 it was back to 8 years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Thats assuming because a car is older it is always going to fail alot more. Not the case, me included and many others I know of. If a car is looked after it can last for a long long time. In many cases the older cars were over engineered ( esp older classics, some cars from the 80s ) when produced and compared to modern vehicles are actually built better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Did you not read my post where I linked to RSA accounts? There is probably profligacy there but it is the RSA, not company which tendered for the contract and then the people of Ireland get screwed over by the tendered company not being able to pay a living wage to Irish Mechanics to man the centres and abuse the visa system to bring over Asians to do the tests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I just had a read of it there, and there’s nothing surprising there. The contracted company (Applus) collect the money, pay the wages etc etc then hand over a huge chunk to the RSA.

    Ref the foreign workers, in an unrelated industry - during and after Covid I took on a lot of new starts, all of them eventually left - some because they had unprecedented opportunities to get better jobs that they’d never have been considered for when jobs were harder to get, and others moved around similar jobs and tried out lots of different companies in a short space of time. I would expect this is what happened in the NCT too. They would have tendered for the NCT contract based on expected wage rates, so they can’t reasonably just increase everyone’s wages 20% just to keep people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Why should a would-be Irish Mechanic go through years of an Apprenticship just to have their earning power undermined by a Foreign Company who low-balled a contract and then blackmailed the Irish Government to release Visas where previously there were none.

    That financial document shows the RSA don't care as they are well paid and pensioned and the Government abdicates its responsibility to the Citizens of Ireland to allow them to earn a living wage in the Country they were born in.

    There is a case of privatising the profits and socialising the losses here and they'll do it again now that the Genie has been let out of the bottle with Visas being issued for a profession that FAS and the apprenticeship process would have been producing qualified staff for previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I always thought its because many people dont bother with maintenance, especially for cars they intend to 'drive into the ground'.

    So they use NCT to tell them what is the bare minimum to fix?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,560 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In fairness the vast majority of people don't look after their cars with the degree of proficiency you speak of. I'd like to see the exact stats of pass/fail rates vs age but I'd suspect older cars do fail more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    It would be full of corruption if that was the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    If Irish people looked after their cars and did the bare minimum in maintenance then it wouldn't be too different. Sadly that won't happen.

    If the NCT changed their prices so the first test was cheap and a retest was expensive then the statistics would change overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭ozmo



    My car failed - after passing for many years - because the side windows had a light tint on them (not applied by me - but I liked it). Aparently because of the possibility that someone would wear sun glassess in the car (not me) and that would be too much then. Now I have windows with mismatching tints front and back to suit them.

    Also Failed next year because they noticed the front window top window tint came down too close to tips of wipers - technicality at this stage as visors cover much more of window.

    Another car failed because I had some work done to body and they wanted to see the bare metal - as they said they couldnt see it was done right if it was painted - wanted me to remove paint + undercoat - get inspected - then repaint car. Asked for manager - he agreed with me it was madness that I would have to get paint removed from skirt and underside of car and drive cross city with no rust coat applied (it was raining a lot that week) - but said "he could not show up his lads".

    Chancers - never going back to the M50 NCT near airport again.

    “Roll it back”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,643 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Back and forth deleted. Drop it.



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