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Should older people be "forced" to change?

  • 04-01-2024 11:07pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    We all know that things were different years ago as they were growing up, the world was a different place , customs and way of life were different , things were done differently, relationships were done differently, children were brought up differently, women and their roles in life were different etc..

    But is there a case for trying to change the older generation or just let them literally die out and all the rest will die out with them?

    There is no doubt in this world that attitudes are and have changed , immensely over the years. but just because people have seen to look like they have moved with the times and have 'accepted' the way of life these days are they putting on a front to keep the peace or hide their true feelings or change so they are acceptable to others - if they have that has been 'forced' onto them in a way hasnt it ... if something has been forced onto somebody is that a good thing? - is there any difference between someone acting differently in public ... but behind closed doors having all their same views intact?

    What do you think?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    Maybe they were right all along though?

    The new way isn't necessarily the correct way



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Evelyn Clumsy Beggar


    What do you think?

    i think you should turn your laptop off Andy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,184 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    No offence Andy, but what they hell are you on about. Who's forcing old people to do anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,521 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think lots of people have changed their opinion of all ages have changed their minds on various issues over the years.

    It might be due to education, life experiences, etc.

    Of course some people just go along with it.

    However there's a lot of people and they simply don't care with the neigbhours get up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,637 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Yes, we should euthanise everybody who doesn’t agree with your views, particularly if they are older members of the community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭blackbox


    So there are no "young" people who have different opinions to you?





  • Maybe OP, you don’t plan on reaching any kind of age where you still recall your formative opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,956 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Whenever there's anything new there a collective clucking about "ah shur what about the poor auld people?" in a really patronising way.

    Not every older person is hopelessly bewildered, many of them can be fairly handy with a smartphone if shown how.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭ruth...less


    Don't really get younger generations saying you should be more tolerant if then they aren't understanding when people are naturally inclined to be set in their ways. Changes happen gradually.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The past is a foreign countrythey do things differently there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    Older people need to work and pay tax till they are 97 years of age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Andy: you (with any luck) will be old sometime. Just watch out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Like re-education camps or something?

    What age are you yourself btw?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    You know as soon as a person says "you are not allowed to say or do anything now these days" that they are pressurised into being something they are not - and I have heard many an older person say that these days ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In the past "they" would never have started a discussion with We All Know That.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    getting on in years 58 ... even with me at my age I cannot get how the world has changed ... so it must be trillion times harder/difficult for someone in their 80's / 90's to still be living and seeing how the world is going and how things have changed since they were young



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭amacca




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Pope Francis is only 87.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    will still have these thoughts in me head even if I dropped my laptop from 11th floor of a building LOL 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,977 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Or maybe they like the changes? life is easier now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Well I'm not too far behind you tbh.

    From my own observation with really old folks at some stage the world has changed into such a sh1tshow from their viewpoint they dont even want to be around much longer. Could be just a character thing tho. I myself am still undecided but looking at recent years I can see how a case could be made either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    nah , they would be happier than they are 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    some people never know when to retire 😆

    .... like these old pop/rock stars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    undoubtedly all older generation with such relic viewpoints will eventually die out ... and i mean soon ... mind you saying that, with the modern advancement on medical achievements and health breakthrough's people are living longer these days...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭amacca


    I think younger people should be forced to change.....to be less irritating noisy...and generally less of a pain in the hole.....


    This should all be cost neutral and funded through deductions from their first 5 years of employment and/or social welfare


    But it will probably be gainful employment as this mass re-education of our precious youth to align more with the "be seen and not heard" end of the spectrum will make them much more attractive worker drones for prospective employers so really we are doing the annoying opinionated feckers a huge favour by getting them on the inevitable treadmill of life earlier....they all know its coming like a big old train filled with sewage inevitably bearing down on them and the harder they fight the worse the collision will be


    They can then take their rebellion, dewey eyed optimisim, general naivety and irritating reliance on facts ,put it aside get with the program and make sure they are paying my **** pension!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭DMcL1971


    I don’t think anyone should be forced to change their opinion, in fact it may not be possible to change anyone’s opinion by force. All you can do is present them with information and allow them to see the positive side of a change and hope they can choose to change their own mind. If they don’t change then there is nothing you can do. If their opinion is problematic in today’s age then at least keeping it to themselves will avoid issues.

    As RobbieV implies in post 2. Who says that the popular views held by any popular group are right. Views change, views that were popular 20 or 40 or 60 years ago may currently be unpopular but may return. Views we have now may seem ridiculous in the future. Remember it was ‘Acceptable in the Eighties’, some views held then are not acceptable now but used to be fine. 20 years from now you might be cancelled for saying something that is currently seems progressive.

    Also I want to reserve the right to change my opinions in the future, or not. Our ability to assimilate new information and experiences allows us to change our views over times. Listening to other people’s views especially those you don’t agree with helps you understand a topic better and may or may not change your opinion but seeing as how we live in a free society no one should be forced to change.

    Remember “I disapprove of what you say but, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    its an interesting point with youngsters , a lot of them have a lot to say on a lot of things and in some cases I cannot see anything silencing them or trying to change their ways because a lot of them are focussed and wont let a load of people walk all over them or their rebellious attitudes mean they are answerable to nobody but themselves.

    but if older people start to even mention what it was like growing up and what they were used to and still are used to or use a wrong terminology or something people come down on them like a ton of bricks whereas with a lot of the younger generation can get away with a lot more viewpoints and sayings etc... - are they now calling the shots? - are the youngsters way of life more meaningful than the older generation now??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Send them all to Sligo instead.


    That way, rather than keeping up with the times and modern developments, they can effectively just go back a few decades.



    Although on the other side, below is a clip from a documentary shot last year showing how they treat the oldies down there................ Oldies in Sligo being 40+




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    The interesting thing about it all at the moment is that if an elder did say something out of line now is they would just more than like get a "Oh no dad/grandad you cannot say that about people these days" or "oh no, you cannot call them that now days" or "oh no, you cannot use that term these days" and thats about all they will get - I hardly think they will be locked up for it.

    I wonder at what age though it becomes apparent where its very serious saying things or terms in public to when it can be so serious and an official offence that can land you in a lot of hot water compared to when you say it that you are just informed by the family that you mustn't say it or act in a different way to how things were done or said years ago.

    I wouldnt like to see a world where everyone is nasty or offensive to someone and upsets other but then on the other hand i dont know if its right to change someone/change their views/ shut them up and make them be something they are not just for the sake of others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    here's another thing I just thought of, you know we are brought up to respect our elders (well I don't know about others but I was) - should we just let elder people then say what they have said for years and what they used to say as they were growing up and let them carry on with their ways as a form of respect ... as if they have earnt the right, to not conform to censorship of the days we find ourselves in - or should they just toe the line and change their ways like we all are expected to do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Madd002


    Andy I get where your coming from, the world has changed alot in the last 20yrs and not for the better. Advances in technology great. Better standard of living great. But I miss old Ireland, no one has time anymore you cant just drop in unannounced for tea, you nearly need an appointment. Nowadays every second child has a disorder of some kind so there's not one family I know not affected by it, where did all these disorders come from and why is there no research for what has caused them or anyone campaigningfor these answers. Then theres the female/male crap, I don't care what you identify as I'll treat you with respect but stop shoving rainbow flags down my throat and overly flaunt/get sensitive if ur called something you used to be as its an easy mistake to make, im now getting lines at bottom of my work emails signed off as Ann known as she like wtf. As for older people I love sitting with Aunts and uncles listening to the old stories of what they got up to. Personally I think all this you can't say such & such is brutal, behind closed doors I'll say what i like and alot of the older generation just don't get it and why should they i still don't. If social media was gotten rid off life would be so much better and all these youngsters would actually go get a life instead of living online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Who cares.

    I'm 65 and I say go with the flow. Life is too short to be concerned about crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I feel you are skirting around what you really want to say, Andy.

    And that is, if someone from an older generation, says something offensive, or "uses the wrong terminology" etc, that they should get a free pass, because of their age and they're going to die soon.

    Well, no.

    No one can force anyone to change.

    But you can let them know when something they say or do, which may have been acceptable in their time, is no longer considered acceptable now.

    Everyday is a schoolday, even late in life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I think this country is marvelous the way it has gone from being insular and very much church dominated to a modern very progressive country.

    I dislike the racism, the hate for migrants, although it seems to be rare here it reminds me too much of the eejits I escaped from across the water.

    My attitude there will never change, I dislike the human race equally and don't favour people with any extra hate because they are from somewhere I have not spent much time in.

    The other thing I dislike and will not change at all is my attitude to liars. Not so much here as far as I am aware but Trump and the bunch in government across the water use lies and hate routinely to gain and keep power.

    I have no time for liars no matter who they are. I wasn't even going to go to my mothers funeral because of the Santa Claus con, but the moaning from my sister was ridiculous! :-)

    So, lies and racism seem to be acceptable in the modern world. Not with me and I am not going to change ever!

    Anyway don't consider me an obstacle, change nothing, I couldn't care less. I have no intention of striking up a same sex relationship and frankly don't feel overly comfortable with the idea, but there again I know no couples anyway, things might be different if I met some socially.

    The only other gripe about modern times is the drugs, We only had booze and ciggies. I will not change my aversion and indeed now consider tobacco pushers the same as drug dealers because I know the damage it causes.

    So get on with it! Do whatever you want.

    I do miss those baking powder driven plastic submarines that they used to give away in cornflakes though. H&S gone mad :-(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    There lies the problem with the modern age. People hunt out information and news that agrees with their own views.

    Sadly the more right wing seem to exploit this in the West and I would assume elsewhere also.

    To communicate an idea generally decades back meant writing a book or being interviewed in the media.

    Even an amateur wireless licence didn't allow general broadcasts, each and every member of the group had to be recorded in each others log.

    Now rubbish can be broadcast as truth and the rubbish can have a following that eclipses the professionals communications on the subject. Covid was a classic example.

    That is something that is a major detriment to society and I think it's too late and too difficult to address the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭jj880


    I get the feeling old people know the clock is ticking and don't waste time. They say what they mean or say what they want and dont mess about 😆. This can definitely come across ignorant but I dont think its intentional for the most part. Theres a percentage of legit old ignorant assholes same as any other age. OP do you act the same in private as you do in public? I doubt it. Thats not an old people thing either.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You need to stop over thinking things. First and foremost most everyone is entitled to their opinions and expectations so why would you feel the need to impose your opinions and expectations on anyone, let alone old people?

    And what difference is it to you, what my internal thoughts and feelings are as a 60 year old. To be blunt it is none of your business! And in any case when you have less that 20 summers left you have a very different perspective on life than you seem to think! I find myself asking more and more if something is important to me or not, if not then I’ll go with the flow and just get on with doing the things that are important to me.

    So in answer to: what do you think? Spend more time concentrating on your own life and let the rest of us get on with living out our lives as we want provided there is no conflict.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,956 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    If anything, the younger set are more intolerant, they get into a strop when they come across things that don't align with their values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Let’s kill off anyone that doesn’t agree with your opinion 👍

    Honestly can’t see you getting much support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,671 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    How do you force someone to change? Never mind the age, how do you force someone to change.

    I know there's people with unfortunate views, but if we could change their mind, maybe we should start with murderers and rapists?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 19,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    It's not even being old I think, it's just having the ability to learn. So many people go through life with just a few skills picked up from their youth and just give up bothering after the fact.

    My aunt who is now 75 was told by my Dad (early 70s) in the early 00's that she would want to get a move on getting her head wrapped around computers and the internet because it's going to be a very digital world in the future. She paid no mind to it and thought sure I have teletext, the papers what else do you need?

    Now here we are 20 years later. My Dad is flying on his smart phone, uses apps for booking holidays, online banking, social media etc. While my aunt is now solely reliant on her husband to get anything done in the ways of life admin, holidays, and general information.

    The whole narrative of "what about the older people?" needs to stop. In most cases those who can't or say they're not able are just lazy, the "thing" they don't understand has generally been around for a long time but they refuse to get on board or pay attention. People like my aunt for example should not be conflated with people like my Dad under the moniker of useless old person.

    It's not a case of forcing people to change just that among certain people there's a refusal to accept change as a part of life and happens many times over, it doesn't just stop after a certain age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭89897


    You're harking back to a time that was utterly disgusting for alot of people.

    Whats wrong with making the 2 second effort of sending a text or making a call and asking if someone is free? Where have rainbow flags been shoved down your neck and has anyone ever actually annoyed with you when you innocently used a term they dont identify with? Or are you seeing sh*t in social media and taking it as gospel.

    When someone says you 'cant say that anymore', listen, its usually because whats been said is ignorant, out dated and offensive. If someone being able to be themselves and express what they want is irritating you then you are the one whos privilege is hurting not theirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Older people should not be forced to do anything.


    One of the biggest crimes committed against older people is forced transvestism and it's a disgrace.A neighbour of mine, Mr Sweeney was involved in over 200 cases of forced transvestism last year.Poor man is traumatized from it all.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Tolerance for thee but not for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭MoonMotorway


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    Post edited by MoonMotorway on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I'm more concerned about getting to the kind of age where I can't still recall my formative opinions. It's getting closer and closer every day. Then every day will really be a school day.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


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