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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Have you any statistics to back up this?

    Ideally one with a timeline and figures like a line graph.



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    There's some speculation that Ukraine will give notice to EU countries to return fighting age males so they can be drafted into the war. I would think that would be a lawful order that the Eu might have to honour. Afterall, Ukrainians are here on the basis of an 'EU Temporary Directive' and not via the same Asylum process that other international refugees take, so the Geneva convention of not returning refugees to a war zone may not apply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    It won’t happen in Ireland, plenty Ukrainian families in permanent council houses now. The only time they were vacant was when they went skiing there at Christmas to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Checks are only done after suspected criminal activity in Ireland. Well after the horse, or violent criminal, or repeat sexual offender in another country has had a chance to bolt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The dregs of any society tend not to move abroad under any circumstances (they're too lazy and unmotivated). Look at the Irish far right....they're all still here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I bet the F A R I G H T buttons on your keyboard are really faded



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    If the Far Right are that lazy and unmotivated they'll be no threat to anyone, which is great news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They love their smartphones though and posting bile from the bedroom of their mother's house....that's why we see them all over social media. As non productive members of society, they have too much time on their hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Yes, I remember no issues either when DP centers started opening up. Does that not show you though that Ireland had no real problem or an ingrained hatred of refugees/foreigners etc. It’s only from recent high profile criminal cases involving those who came here via the asylum route, or seeing how much of a drain on our already stretched public services they are causing that people started having concerns?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Interpol and Europol systems are not employed to run background criminal checks on asylum seekers.

    Interpol, for example has 19 databases so when you read that someone is being run through Interpol, it could be to just check against registered false documents, or to run fingerprints for an outstanding warrant, with no check on background criminality.

    Considering we opted out of the SIS EU criminal background check, I’d be very surprised if we were using any other system to check the criminal history of asylum seekers.

    Until, that is, someone transgress the laws in this country. From countries with no, or poorly maintained, sex offender, violent reoffended register, then we hope to count ourselves lucky that their misdemeanour doesn’t ruin the life of a loved one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Yeah, Interpol and Ireland and Europe are all connected, quick to check.

    But, checking their home country is the problem. They have the domestic records. They need to report on any information regarding the applicant.

    police in these countries, but so interested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    The "far right" are now people who just have common sense views.

    There are communication studies which show very positive results of labeling people with negative connotations to:

    1. Disable discourse

    2. Make the person feel bad about being labelled negatively and question themselves and their behaviour.

    This "far right", "racist" labelling of common people has to stop, its a form of abuse and MSM along with politicians and posters here are also accountable.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Ok Leo, we believe you........honestly!

    Havn't heard such nonsense since pretend chieftain Leo said same.

    I use the English term because that traitor is not worthy of our Gaeilge term of Taoiseach.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    What a load of offensive twaddle. Reasonable, honest decent people are not, right wing or 'now people with common sense views.' Stripping people of their fundamental human rights is wrong. Treating fellow human beings as less than, is wrong.

    It is not common sense to treat other human beings who are relying on this country to stand by it's legal and moral principles as less, just because you don't like the idea of helping them. Frankly, the views you espouse, are offensive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,501 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The Direct Provision System was created to make if harsher for refugees to stay here and to put the word out that we're not a good place to seek asylum.

    Maybe I have different memories to you, but I don't remember ever there being a pro refugee sentiment in Ireland. We did it because of international law. That's all.

    The levels of opposition now has got out of control. The government needed to introduce stricter measures for refugees coming here much much earlier.

    By the way refugee centres were burned down prior to this period. In 2018 or 19, wasn't a refugee centre burned down in Roscommon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭tom23


    I’d say Green Party driving this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    The direct provision system is for asylum seekers, not refugees. I don't remember a pro refugee sentiment, which doesn't make sense anyway. There definitely wasn't the anti refugee sentiment that there is now. And we still do it because of international obligations.

    And maybe you're a lot younger then I am, but 2018/2019 is this period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If the far right in Ireland doesn't even exist, where does that leave Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael? Nobody could possibly describe either party as 'left wing'. FF in particular was always a rural, right wing Catholic and nationalist / conservative party.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭tom23


    well roderick o’gorman is a green minister and is in charge. sticking to the task like phil hogan did on water. his lack of communication and dogmatic attitude is befitting of a politician that’s never had a senior brief before, immigration a hot topic, it’s divisive. he is making a balls of it. so yes it’s green party driven agenda. after all their dear leader thinks the population should be 8 million.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Seriously, no irish mainstream party is "far right" in any form. I don't even know how to answer your question.

    If you think "far right" are the main parties like FF then what's all the nonsense about labeling everyone "far right" by politicians and media? You've labeled folk "far right" yourself?

    It is nothing but ascribing a derogatory term to common folk in order to force obedience from the government.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭snl rory


    They are going to destroyed in the upcoming elections...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Then why all the attacks on the government, the Dáil and the 'MSM'? If the far right doesn't even exist in Ireland, then the anti-immigration lobby (or whatever they call themselves) are as mainstream and establishment as all of the above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    This country has a woeful history when it comes to Human Rights - Laundries etc etc - how many people left and went to build their lives in the UK etc?. The govt. is still trying to get financial compensation for the survivors of Laundries etc. The last thing we need is a drift back to the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Well that's the point isn't it? There's no far right bogey man, it's all nonsense in an attempt to label folk who don't agree with government policy, have the left label them as racist and right-wing and attempt to ostracise normal folk and remove their opinions.

    There are some far right folk in Ireland but their numbers are very very few, maybe 100.

    This labeling far right nonsense will make 70%+ of the population far right even though we simply have common sense opinions.

    MSM, politicians and members here labeling regular folk as "far right" are complete thrash, and shows a complete disregard of regular folks opinions.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Cool story. Where do the colourfully dressed women with multiple kids and unemployed husbands that are everywhere around Moore Street/North Earl Street come from (not being more specific as the post will be deleted/warned because you cant point this fact out). I suppose they are all gainfully employed pension contributers.

    Or the scumbag Jozef Pulska and his unemployed in a free 5 bed house family. Stellar non dregs those. Or how about the one that killed the two guys in Sligo, living in a council house paid for by us, while hiding 375k under a mattress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I see a lot of criticism though of all political parties, the Dáil, the 'MSM' and 'NGOs' as if those doing the criticising see themselves outside of all of that. Even the far left seem to view themselves as far closer to the mainstream or even to be fully part of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    That's the point, MSM, political parties , NGOs are all aligned with the far left to garner support.

    Put it like this, follow the money, who gains from this:

    1. The government can claim some cash from the EU fund(not enough)

    2. Their developer friends can build housed.

    3. Pension funds from abroad buy up properties to house immigrants.

    4. Local landlords - can turf out current tenants for that lovely government asylum cash.


    All that money, MSM dependent on government cash from advertisements etc. It's a massive cash cow, it's the new developers from 2000 onwards. The problem is that it neither benefits the citizens nor the actual immigrants.

    It's all money, and control.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Any chance you have those statistics where 1.5 million Irish born left and 750k people have come in? I’m very interested in them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    CSO figures. They have been linked here many times.

    this actually now puts foreign born at less then 700,000


    The DFA put the figure of Irish born living overseas at 1.47 million in a pdf in 2017. 'Irish emigration patterns and citizens abroad ' if you are interested.


    Under this legal definition, the Irish diaspora is considerably smaller—some 3 million persons, of whom 1.47 million are Irish-born emigrants.



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