Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Very important to note, IRELAND had no excess deaths. Just like Norway and New Zealand.

other OECD countries had huge excess deaths.

The conclusion would seem to be that our policies worked.

It was never just about those who died, that canard has been discredited dozens of times already on the thread.

It was about managing hospitalizations, and case count was a factor of that - especially case count in vulnerable population.

It was about those who got covid and survived because hospital treatment was there for them - for covid and others. Those people in their 50s and 60s and 70s with vulnerable conditions.

We had very low case numbers of usual winter suspects such as flu because of covid restrictions, we (as in medical capacity) wouldn't have been able for flu and covid pre vaccines.

What a surprise.. Information that was highlighted at the time by many but dismissed as conspiracy and disinformation now shown to be the case after all!

The comments under that post showing previous statements from the same outlet(s) is interesting too, as is the info on excess deaths since 2021 (some are linking it to vaccines but personally I'd put it more down to serious illnesses that weren't treated and appointments cancelled being the likely cause).

In any case, as many (including myself) said at the time, it looks as though there was a massive and disproportionate overreaction to the actual level of risk that was involved, and that maybe we should have indeed focused our efforts on those categories of people who were at real risk, and others who still needed care for other things, rather than locking away perfectly healthy people and trying to scare them into being afraid of everyone.

Better late than never I suppose, but 2 years of our lives that will I fear continue to be felt for many more to come.

Discredited? All I see is the same handful of people posting opinions that the actual evidence at the time and more recently shows the risk didn't really warrant the level of response by the Government.

You can keep claiming otherwise (and lashing out at those who don't agree with you) but that doesn't make it so!

Unfortunately depression is a big problem in this country. People with depression cannot let go of the past.

Most ordinary, hard working people have forgotten about the lockdown and moved on enjoying their lives.Like they still remember it and joke about it and are thankful its over and done with but it doesn't affect their everyday lives in any way.

The WHO recommended mask wearing in health settings before the Christmas.

You know I keep telling people that we are overpopulated and shouldn't be taking in people until we get it sorted.

They think about all the space in the country and disagree and just can't get it. I explain we are overpopulated due to the state of the health and security services in this country at the present time.

It's unfair to those who already live here and those coming in to be put in a situation where they will struggle to get medical care and will struggle to get assistance when they feel their lives are at risk.

The state of our health service was fully exposed during COVID. I don't know if there's been any improvements made since then but I haven't seen any changes personally.

I've been told that it's close to impossible to get a GP these days.

About the GP situation? A lot of people.

It's just too perfect to see people charging in and crowing about this report, when it proves the exact opposite of what you're saying it does.

It's really very simple;

• Lots of countries had very high excess deaths during Covid, including in younger age groups that would not have "died anyway", as you all so lovingly and charitably put it.
• Ireland did not have high excess deaths, in any age group.
• Other countries that were supposed to be models of how to manage Covid (Norway, NZ) also had very low excess deaths.

By literally any objective measure (public health, vaccine uptake, economic rebound), we did really well. Sure we probably got a few things wrong but it was an unprecedented situation.

Only by the metrics of the conspiracy theorist did we fail. The reason you're "continuing to feel it" is because you want to, you don't want to move on.

Looking into the excess deaths post pandemic i.e. 2022 and 2023 is even more interesting. High excess deaths across all demographic groups in many so called advanced economies/countries. Yet, the media remain largely silent about it even though in many instances more people died in the last 2 years than in the pandemic (20/21). The lack of interest in this topic is very telling.

Given that the OECD has stated that Ireland had no excess deaths in the 3 years of covid the time is now right to offically rename it as what is actually was: Scamdemic 2020-2023. Subtitle: the death of truth and logic.

The whole thing is discredited. Impossible to mine any truth whatsoever from a massive black hole of lies and contradictions.

Forget it. Whether you make sense or not certain folks here will have the last word you to death. Resistance is futile, not worth it, leave'em be.

Were those excess deaths in younger age groups due to COVID though? In the US, deaths due to overdoses, suicide and alcohol abuse skyrocketed during the pandemic. It been widely accepted that lockdowns etc really didn't do anything and in fact had numerous negative consequences, but keep flogging that dead horse.

For example

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8856931/

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2023/youth-suicide-rates-increased-during-the-covid-19-pandemic

Nope, none of that is accurate. Plenty of countries had very high excess deaths, and the only common theme in all of them was Covid. The opioid crisis in the USA does not explain excess deaths in Bulgaria. Youth suicide does not explain excess deaths in the 45-64 age group. And so on.

The government made a balls of communicating this when it should have been a home run. The press release should have read "Ireland had one of the lowest excess death rates in the World in 2020-22" which is absolutely correct.

By saying "there were no excess deaths", people who can't process more than 140 characters of information instantly jumped to the conclusion that Covid didn't kill anyone. It's completely incorrect but it's exactly what people with agendas and the just plain stupid needed to be able to say "see, told you it was all a hoax".

The only logical conclusion is that we managed the pandemic well, at least from the perspective of keeping people alive. There are lots of other countries that did not. This is a good thing for Ireland.

If you're still shaking your fist at the sky about your individual liberties being infringed, then the problem is 100% yours.