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"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    SF are a bunch of morons and anyone who votes for them is also.

    Anyone can make false promises.

    Mary Lou studied English Literature AFAIK. So what does she know about the construction industry.

    The IRA were well known for being anti drugs whilst taking money from drug dealers. They were doing this in Dublin not too long ago.

    The best we can hope for is construction capacity edging upwards and home completions also.

    We could hit 35,000 units next year definitely.

    We can then increase incrementally towards 45,000.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I never called the SCSI stupid. It seems the only stupid ones are SF and their gullible voters.

    As quoted elsewhere construction costs in Dublin at the moment are nearly €2900 per sq.m. According to the Society of Chartered Surveyors Ireland (SCSI), the average cost of building a 3-bedroom house in Dublin is €371,311. That excludes site purchase costs, site development works incl roads, paths, landscaping, services, planning and development costs and fees, developer profit, etc,etc.

    I have huge respect for the SCSI and hundreds if not thousands of quantity surveyors etc who have degrees and experience and spend their working lives calculating the price of housing etc.

    And SF say house prices in Dublin should be on average 300k. What does Mary Lou McD - who has no qualifications in anything other than English literature as far as I know - or her aspiring Minister for Finance (who dropped out of his course in Letterkenny I. T. or whatever it is or was called ) know about how to run - as opposed to destroy - an economy?


    What next, her saying pints should be €3 and new BMWs 10 or 20k each, for each of her voters? Lots of designer clothes? A 5 bed house with ensuites in Cabra for everyone on avg industrial wage?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Food is essential too, tell Mary Lou to say that a loaf of Bread should be €1, and a steak 'n chips €12.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,163 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    "shelter" and a 3-bed semi-d with a garden in the location that I choose are not the same thing. One is essential, one is preferential.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    FG performed an economic miracle. They took us from the brink of disaster to one of the best economies in the world in less than 10 years.

    They're obviously not perfect but they should be commended for what they've done right.

    I see no competence or intelligence in SF. Just populist bluster.

    Also you don't need to spend €1500 on an apartment. You can house share for €700.

    Alternatively you can rent a brand new 2 bed apartment for €2100. Assuming no couples, put one person in the sitting room and then a bedroom each, which works out at €700 a month which isn't bad.

    Almost every western city is in a housing crisis and we're doing better than others.

    Also the housing crisis is at a turning point at the moment based on data.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Yes, but I guess that would have happened anyway, and what have they ever done for me? 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Though I think going forward I think we should be aiming for a target where, say, a single person on an ordinary wage in Dublin can afford to rent a one bed apartment while saving for a deposit to purchase a similar type apartment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I don't like the perception that FG only care about corporations and the upper middle class and SF are the people's champions.

    SF have opposed 100s of housing projects.

    See Jennifer Carroll MacNeill recently talking about the work she does in early intervention, her passion is obvious but people label her posh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭mollser


    A job that pays sufficiently well that he can afford 1.5k per month rent?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I'm just showing there's choice.

    The brand new apartments coming on the market seem expensive but 3 people sharing a 2 bed apartment is only €700 a month each. Almost no heating bills also.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Apartments are incredibly expensive to buy unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    We would be in great shape now if the 2000-2008 initial boom had not been wasted by FF. There was a time to take the Kool aid away from the party, but that would have been unpopular. Politicians here generally go with the path of least resistance, the easiest way, try to void making difficult decisions. Added to that we have a media that pushes exceptional sob cases and government responds by changing rules. This was particularly bad at that time. Unfortunately, the fact that we ended up in an IMF bailout with a destroyed construction sector and construction workers emigrating all over the world has meant we have had a bit of a lost decade. There is a lot of simplistic stuff around, they should have done something 10 years ago. Do you remember what the situation was like in 2013? Like, I mean as an adult remember, out living on your own and not at home? Obviously Covid and the Ukraine war hasn't helped in the last 4 years either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Now that is an utterly stupid question and statement. You are validating the earlier poster’s point about voters who take SF’s offerings as being well founded.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Oh, I agree, I was just joking. It is a kind of inverse snobbery. I am from a working class/council estate background myself, but I don't have this inferiority complex. Jennifer Carroll MacNeill has a PhD in public policy, so she is obviously very smart and knows what she is talking about even if you don't agree with her politics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,712 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Is it really home ownership then? i.e. really much different from state provided social housing but even harder to move on from.

    If I decide to move, the cost to me is the difference in actual value of my current home vs. the home I want to move into, less costs, if I had one of these homes, the gap, on a house I've already been paying a mortgage on for many years, is the new house cost minus the much bigger gap to the "affordable house" cost, whatever that is set at.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    So from a purchaser's perspective, I am not really sure what the benefit is over say being provided long term social housing. I guess you can pass it to children. Well, you can sell it on and gain from the equity you have in the house I guess, but the sale price would be set by someone in an office somewhere that could be subject to political influence. So, overall, I don't know really, but it isn't home ownership in the way we normally think about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,712 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I think it's pandering to the "forever home" group, but most with the means to get a mortgage would also understand the need to be able to move at some point, whether for family/career/other country opportunities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    It is also possible that in 20 years time there will be some contrived Kitty Holland article, where a single mother of 6 disabled children inherits a house and can't sell it on for a price high enough to move into their dream home and the politicians will remove the "land in permanent state ownership" condition for everyone, it is Ireland after all. We make general rules based on exceptional cases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    1) So you're telling me they've ignored shortages of doctors too, and now there fobbing the problem off, no doubt at great cost, to a second rate education system!

    It and pharma students get paid through springboard. Not at undergraduate but huge investment in conversion courses. Apprentices get paid (very poorly) but perform a lot of labour too, and in my experience that labour is very often not training related.

    2) The state isn't building the children's hospital, it's been outsourced to the private sector. See how that's working out? See also 500k for one bed apartments. Outsourcing to our dysfunctional construction market, may as well hand the gougers a blank chequebook.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    She has more education than the entirety of SF.

    If there's one silver lining to the housing crisis, is that huge areas of working class Dublin are becoming gentrified, which is a good thing in my opinion, although it prices out locals.

    This leads to mixed neighborhoods, which is the ideal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    I think I speak for most of us when I say we assumed you were complaining about the low wage paid to apprentices while training, and then compared it to unpaid undergraduates. Now it seems you are comparing it to people who avail of the springboard scheme.

    So just for clarity, complaining about the low pay of apprentices, is fair enough, but when you take into account the fact that the vast majority of undergraduates are unpaid, your complaint loses its merit.

    The State most certainly is building the Children’s Hospital, The National Paediatric Hospital Development Board is responsible for overseeing the design, build and equipping of the new children’s hospital. 

    I’m sorry, but I refuse to believe you have an economics qualification.



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I think one of the problems is that we've become accustomed to this as the new normal when really it should be regarded as overcrowding.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The state is building it. THey tendered for the construction company to carry out the work instead of creating a construction company themselves.

    All of the reasons outlined already on this thread would say why the government wouldn't create a building entity that is owned and operated.

    Would you prefer the government to create a construction entity just to build one hospital?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'd prefer if they had a construction entity for all state buildings, yes.

    Tell me this, if you ask a baker to bake you a cake for someone's birthday, do you tell people you baked it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    A person building a hospital is going to have the same skill set to build a house?

    That analogy is totally irrelevant by the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What reason does that 30 year old have for voting SF?

    Please dont just say, "Well it cant be worse than FFG".

    Because it absolutley can.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No it's not. People all over the World house share and a lot older than 30.

    What age do you think is the cut off for house sharing?

    How do you know the party is "doing nothing for you"

    If you read the policies that Sinn Fein have released it will mean they are doing nothing for a lot of people as well.

    A 30 year old "stuck paying 1500" could be the exact target for Sinn Fein and the ever changing "tax the rich" so he/she/they will end up still "stuck paying 1500" but paying a lot more tax on top of that and even further away from owning a house

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It absolutely isn't though. You said the government are building the hospital, because they put it out to tender, but somehow getting a baker to bake you a cake is different?

    You're still (in a way) putting it out to tender that you want a cake. You are not making the cake, the baker is. Same way the government are not building the hospital, a construction company is.

    If someone can sometimes accept they're wrong, it's a lot easier to debate with them otherwise they're just arguing in bad faith. There's nothing to be gained with arguing with someone who never admits they're never wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Again.

    The National Paediatric Hospital Development Board is responsible for overseeing the design, build and equipping of the new children’s hospital. 



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo



    Do you understand why you have construction companies who specialise in building houses and then construction companies who will take on projects like hospital etc?

    Similar in cooking, in terms of your analogy you are asking a chef to do the job of a baker.

    I asked you a question, not sure what I am wrong about?

    To give an example, here is one of the biggest companies who build houses. Would they tender for a hospital? No

    https://glenveagh.ie/



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