The new recycling system

The introduction of bags that weren't made microscopically thin and made to be reused is what changed me. Can't stuff the modern bags into a ball in the back of the unused cabinet in the kitchen. I sometimes miss that bag of bags. So, a better option got rid of a bad option. With this, they're introducing a bad option hoping to make it better, and I can't see it working because it's penalising people who already recycle. Maybe what happens after I recycle it should be the point of attention here, ie: what my binman does with it. Instead, they've decided to charge more for the full containers so you're penalised if you recycle it as you always have. There's no money to be made, only money to recover. If there was money to be made, it would actually make a difference.

Am I correct in my understanding on this:

1. The Shop Keeper buys say a crate (24) of water from the Wholesaler (say Cash N Carry)
2. It used to cost say 30¢ a bottle. Will it now cost 45¢ a bottle with the 15¢ being added at source level from produced to Cash N Carry?
3. He used to sell at at €2 a bottle. Will be now sell it at €2.15?
4. Old Profit €1.70 NEW Profit €1.70. SO he balances the books.
5. If he EXEMPT..... customer can't return bottle to him for voucher exchange. Shop just displays a sign as to nearest return outlet.
6. If he NOT EXEMPT..... customer seeks 15¢ voucher off him against other purchases in shop. His profit now back to €1.55. Shop then submits a claim to RE=TURN for the cashed vouchers and this brings his profit back to €1.70.

Is this 'TOO' simplistic???

As matter of interest.... what happens at Airports etc. Loads of passengers buy water/soft drinks Airside. If they carry on plane.. can they use the Re-Turn bottles in say Germany when they land?? Or if they drink the water in the Departure Lounge - a Voucher system is no good if leaving teh country and don't need anything else from Duty Free etc. Thoughts ???????

In the shopkeeper scenario, the deposit is 15c on small bottles and 25c on smaller bottles but there is a 7th step

7. Shopkeeper receives the deposit back and an additional 2.2c for every bottle returned to re-turn due to the inconvenience caused to the shop keeper, his profit is now 2.2c higher

The Airport question is a good one. Ideally airports, as well as seaports and potentially bus stations will have an exemption that their cans and bottles don't get charged the deposit (and nor do they carry the logo/barcode) but as far as I am aware your water bottle bought in the Airport will be charged the 25c deposit with no way for you to get the deposit back

The bin companies are not going to be getting 15 or 25c a can that still end up in bins, whether green or black.

Most of the stuff that isn't recycled through these machines will end up in black bins or street cleaning etc. and just be landfilled or incinerated.

You can thank this bunch of morons

for making it impossible for councils to continue to run waste collection themselves.

There's a fair amount of 'see no evil, hear no evil' propaganda by environmentally conscious people on this as well as all environmental initiatives. There are obvious downsides for people who already do the right thing so lets hope it actually delivers a change in attitude for those who currently couldnt give a shoite

An exemption for airside purchases would appear to make sense.

Not sure about seaports though and definitely can't see it being granted for bus stations.

For the last few years I've been using a drinks bottle which I fill up airside. That's ok for me because I only use it for water which is free from the fountains.

Wherever you keep them before you open them, keep them there afterwards too. It’s not that hard. Bring them to the shop when you go to buy more.

What percentage of the likes of peas and beans etc tins are part of our figures for currently not recycled? These are not included in the new scheme, neither are plastic milk bottles.

Re-turn have an incentive for people not to use their machines, as they get all unclaimed deposits from point of sale.

Checks joining date, sees conflicting posting style, yeah good one buddy. Next time add something constructive

Seaports are like airports in that your next destination is foreign lands, some bus stations have international routes, you can go from busaras over the Irish sea and up to the north from a few bus stations but they are exceptions I accept

I do the exact same thing at airports in fairness, I have one of those steel bottles from Lidl that cost me a fiver and I save €2-3 every time I go through airport security

But if the child wants a coke...

You make a fair point about international routes but bus stations don't have the equivalent of airside so anyone could walk in off the street and buy a drink.

I got my steel bottle for nothing and it's been a game changer. No more plastic bottles and a few more euro in my pocket.

Show me a child that doesn't want a coke 🙂

If it's the same type of paper/ink that Dublin Bus used to give refunds on then it's fair to say there'll be a natural limit on the time you can use the refund voucher. The ink used to fade on those things after a few months.

f this is a money making scheme then you can help stop it simply by returning all your recyclable produce! After all, if we get a 100% return rate then no money gets made by the other side

What will finance the scheme so?

As usual people mix up "homeless" -those in emergency accommodation such as hubs, hotels and bnbs and "rough sleepers" - those who sleep rough on the streets and many with intricate issues

There are about 13,500 of the former and at 30th sept last, there were 128 of the latter.

I presume the poster meant the rough sleepers