Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Except you cannot deny that crapping on Israel is a politically expedient move as animus towards Israel is prevalent in both the Far-Left and Islamic movements.

And South Africa decided to get involved in all this, so they are now relevant. We're entitled to ask why a corrupt and incompetent government in charge of a dying hellhole seems to regard a politically expedient position on a conflict 6000 kilometres away as one of its top priorities.

It should also be remembered that South Africa has a ... questionable ... relationship with the ICC as they granted Vladimir Putin diplomatic immunity from arrest on foot of an ICC warrant if he visited South Africa. So it seems that the corrupt and incompetent government of South Africa is ... politically selective in its outrage.

But again that doesnt make their accusations false. So if it wasnt them, any number of the countries that have publicly come out against the Israeli action in the UN could have initiated this. If Ireland had done this, i m sure you would be crapping all over Ireland as a country in the same way.

You brought up the SA murder rate, I didn't.

And no, genocide is not a "quarrel".

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and SA are taking a case, as required by the Geneva convention, against Israel.

Why are you getting so excited? Maybe the court will find in favour of Israel? Would that not be a good thing - put the whole genocide fake news thing to bed once and for all?

Or are you outraged in case the alternative transpires?

Who is the lawyer?

Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh

Yes I would think any favouritism to russia is wrong. But that doesnt mean their accusations against Israel are wrong.

You appear to be looking at every part of this conflict through Israeli tinted glasses. Plenty of countries have voted against Israel such as Switzerland who does not have a long running grudge against Israel and is mostly neutral in world affairs. If you want to suggest that the rest of world is wrong in everything they are saying about Israel in this conflict then I guess Israel will never be wrong in your eyes. If that is the case, we may as well be conversing with an Israeli government spokesman just reading from an approved script.

What's going on here?

Just the IDF being their usual scummy selves

That’d be weird though. If the North Koreans criticised them, would the logical reaction really be “Jaysus even the North Koreans are horrified”?

Isn't it mental that this keeps getting posted over and over again as if it is somehow relevant to anything.

"You can't say this phrase, because another language has a phrase with a different meaning and translation which I don't like and that proves the English phrase is antisemitic" - even though the English phrase being said literally has nothing to do with any form of antisemitism.

What next - cheering "up the Dubs" will be antisemitic because in Iran they have some phrase which translates to English as "boo to the jews" in football stadia?

The ANCs standard seems to be "we have a legal obligation to prevent genocide ... nudge, nudge, wink, wink, unless we're best buddies with the perpetrators." If you're fine with that ... I don't know what to say, frankly.

I judge Israel on the basis of its history and context - i.e. being a small country with horrifying military geography, a small population, that has been constantly under attack since the day it was founded, surrounded by mortal enemies not only on its borders but widely across the world.

That doesn't make me a shill or a hasbra bot or some such ridiculous epithet, just someone who has understanding of geopolitics and a desire to judge people and groups fairly.

Just because Israel is an underdog doesn't mean it is always right or can do no wrong. I don't think you are shill you just display 100% support for everything Israel does in your many posts you post here daily. I don't think it is good to be that uncritical of any country or group.

It would.

Now you really aren't making sense.

Can I suggest you have a look at what the ICJ is and what it does. Then take a look at the SA document submitted to the ICJ - it clearly states SAs legal obligation (along with every other signatory's obligation) to prevent genocide. SA have simply complied with their obligations and presented their evidence. It's about 80 pages long.

I am perfectly fine with an international convention on genocide that is adjudicated upon by an international court (the World Court) in an impartial manner that strives to judge wrongdoers.

If you're not fine with that, then frankly, I don't know what to say either...

Unless of course Israel is found guilty? Is that what is stressing you out? Don't be - as I've said, if Israel has sufficient evidence, there will no adjudication against them.

I really don't know why you have a bee in your bonnet about this? Any other signatory could have done the same as SA.

In fact, it is of course perfectly possible that SA mooted they might do this then a load of other countries rocked up and said "yes please".