Sick of this country

Missing files from last week? One example from my mother personally. Prescriptions not sent over, mass confusion between doctor hospital and pharmacy. Have spent the past week chasing, administrators (who I have to say in the ward was excellent) but infrastructure that doesn’t work. I actually feel so sorry for many staff in the hospitals who have to work in a system that is broken completely.

another example? Waiting in A&E for 18 hours only to find the admittance file was lost, then when I complained, security threw me out. Security also threw out a family waiting beside for 18 hours when their sons leg was broken for the same reason….being told (and I quote) “you’ll be seen when you are **** seen”, really gives one confidence in our system!

You confuse the words "compare favourably" with "perfect". We compare favourably with lots of countries on GP numbers. That doesn't mean it couldn't be better. It means there are lots of places where it is far worse. Developed countries. Even Austrailia and New Zealand, which everyone seems to think are perfect places relative to here, have the same problems we do and virtually the same number of doctors per capita

It's absolutely ridiculous yet I didn't see the 'journalists' even question the government why is this ?

Half of the medical students in Ireland are foreign nationals who almost all just head straight home after graduation . Much of the other half (Irish students subsidised up to 50k a year for education fees) head straight to Australia after graduation .What a mess.

Bet you that list above doesn't take that into account !

Yes they are.

I've checked the estimated cost for medical student education in Ireland and it's up to 50k per person.thst it would cost if the government didn't cover it. Educating and training medical students needs a lot more resources than other courses.

And foreign students pay up to 57k a year for courses in Ireland.

Stop allowing our HIGHLY subsidised graduates to jet off to another country immediately upon graduation.so easily. The current situation is a travesty.

Other countries aren't as fucked up as Ireland.

Our problem isn't the money, we need doctors to stay in Ireland and work in Ireland for a few years.

You seem to think that is unreasonable which I why I believe you have skin in the game yourself.

For the health service yeah I would say many things are fucked in Ireland. Don't know a better way to describe the shitshow how badly it is all put together .

'Forcing' them to stay after grad for 2 to 3 years is no big deal i.e. you enjoyed a very cheap education (but very expensive for taxpayers) , , if you want to leave without contributing you'll need to pay some of it back.

Hardly a big ask. Make it a financial choice.

We are doing the same now up North.

No complaints for those students eh ???

Medicine is massively oversubscribed as a university course. I doubt very much you would have a problem recruiting students to do medicine even if there was a period of paying back the tax payer for their subsidy like there is in other countries. Some might be put off but there would be plenty more to take their place.

No, no you wouldn't. Stop lying.

Doctor much?

Presumably because it maintains the exclusivity and prestige of medicine as a profession in Ireland. Keep the number of Paddies qualifying to a small number.

I know well how it works.

Somebody who starts their career here is likely to stick around longer. They are in the system .

Nobody answered me why the government is paying for students to study in NI if they don't need the doctors . And how come it's okay to ask them to work but not docs that we fully subsidised education in Ireland to work.

Bit of a joke the whole thing. Up to 70% of Irish medical grads are leaving to Australia shortly after graduation, so we are looking to setup students in NI instead. Brilliant minds in the government.

We shouldn't be sponsoring MOST IRISH MEDICAL STUDENTS for 7 years free education to them so they immediately take off to another country. That is a huge waste of resources. It is contributing very little to the well being of patients in our country .

It's nothing about controlling but putting the right policies in place.

Financial incentives are used all the time....everywhere.

As you all know VERY well the numbers that are leaving immediately upon graduation but consistently failing to mention here. Funny that.

""A measure of the extent of emigration of young Irish doctors is that 62 of 77 medical students from University College Cork who graduated in 2021 are currently practising in Australia. In a recent post on Twitter, one of them, Rory Holohan (@rory_holohan), said, “A sign of the times is that a lot of my friends were talking about Perth/Melbourne even from fourth year (in medical school)”

A 2020 medical graduate from University College Galway told The BMJ that about 70% of recently qualified doctors from the college were now working in Australia. UCG graduates work mainly in Perth, Western Australia, while most Cork""

It's not really outrageous and as I said it's not the full answer to our problems.

The course spaces are there just up the road, we have students who will fill them and we have the money.

Perfect is the enemy of good and until we get an increased number of doctors in our system it won't function properly.

As for accountants, your accountant might save you money but your doctor could save your life.

Junior doctors are paid peanuts in Ireland

Little wonder they go abroad if that's how Little they're valued

My take is who are the eejits who block giving them decent pay?

Also a toe up the ass needs to be given to other public servants who think because doctors and nurses get a pay rise up to what's reasonable for their life saving work is an excuse for them to ask the same, they should be told in no uncertain terms to féck off

Such reciprocal demands are the reason there's push back against paying health service workers enough

The same greedy unions representing other sectors then are among the top of the loud voices mentioning the health service as badly resourced

These things are easily fixed,involve the state cheque book and a dose of reality medicine to the nay sayers