Company not confirming or rejecting vacation - Mod warning post #51

Maybe he does, maybe he needs to consult with another manager to work out headcounts in summer before making a decision.. Maybe there was a misinterpretation in the OP.

Regardless, it's only been a few days and many people are not back from Xmas leave yet. If I was the OP I'd be pushing for a decision next week

Correct.

And in some cases, if you don't put in an application by the deadline, you will find that you are allocated annual leave from the dates that are left after everyone else's applications have been processed: Enjoy your summer holiday in November!

(I've never applied a system like this. I don't like it. But I know of places that do.)

Not to change the topic of the subject, but you do realise it's against employment law in Ireland to age discriminate against anyone when actively hiring for a role?

Ouch.

Brush up your CV and start job hunting.

Seriously. Leave dates are the least of your problems right now.

Tell him it’s already paid for ..

Monday was a public holiday, do you mean Tuesday? If so, its been 3 days since you submitted the request.

Look, I think you need to relax a little bit. I wouldn't be looking to "escalate" this yet. It sounds like you're already getting off on the wrong foot with this new Manager.

Like has been said, there are probably staff not back Christmas holidays yet. Give him some time to get his feet back under the desk.

Perfectly reasonable for the OP to escalate if he’s tried the manager a couple of times and has no clarity on the process.

A number of posts have strayed from this but that’s the crux here, particularly because it’s a step change from the previous manager and affects things like cost and planning. Dismissing this is lacking empathy.

Based on the info provided, the management style (vague and a bit petty) seem to be a big contributor to the bad start.

Escalate to HR for guidance on what the policy is and this could give the manager a push.

I already suggested a follow up chat in person with him in one of the first posts of the thread and escalate after he’s tried talking to him a couple of times in a more recent post. I haven’t seen the part where the OP says he’s already tried a couple of times. The post from the 4th seems to be the first attempt.

Yes it’s clearly lacking empathy to suggest the OP should just wait an undefined time before knowing, which is completely different to how it was managed previously.

There’s a naivety in suggesting that this manager couldn’t manage the situation better for reasons such as the recent new year. The OP has stated they have 15 years experience and are coming from a different part of the same organization. The manager can’t tell what the timeline & process is but has added a petty comment.

I already saw the post and have referenced some detail from it even in the last response to you and the SOP’s in a different post last night.

The OP put in the request Monday (sounds like a system), posted Thursday night after talking to the manager and then gave more detail Friday lunchtime. Doesn’t sound like it’s been discussed more than once but the OP can clarify.

I do agree with the OP that they should try to keep some pressure on. It’s too up in the the air at the moment after going from immediate approval.

It would be interesting to know how the manager handles more imminent approvals.

The SOP’s not defining a timeframe is not the same as there being no guidance available. Sounds like a relatively big organisation and I would be surprised if there is nothing there in terms of best practice or training. SOP’s do not cover every possibility and may even be kept vague where suits.

Of course it is relevant what the old manager done regardless of vagueness of the SOP’s. It wasn’t communicated that this was changing until the request. The OP is a manager themself and is likely in a situation to make a fair call on the reasonableness from their experience.

The responses have been mixed on next actions for the OP from what I read but the quantity and quality is something for the OP to take onboard. I suppose it’s clear people can take their own interpretations of the posts. People have different experiences and advice while only the OP knows the situation best.

in summary, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.