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The future of RTE after Tubsgate.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 vilap25329


    It's hard to believe, but in 3 months time, it will be exactly 4 years since the legendary Winning Streak left the Saturday evening schedule and it's replacement is still lockdown v1 era 20yo reruns of Killinaskully. De Covid came in very handy to quietly retire winning streak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I know.i could probably look it up somewhere but I'm inclined to laziness and also working but howuch is the full total of salaries/wages monthly or even yearly in rte does anyone know.

    I don't think there's much to save cutting a few hours off fair city.

    Rte is overstaffed imo. Too many of the same types all holding on for dear life knowing full well that's there's nothing cushier and better paid elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭AJB39


    They wouldn’t be making the cut to Fair City if it wasn’t going to save money. Also 400 jobs or 1/5 of the workforce of RTÉ is going to go in the next few years. That’s a lot of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I don't watch it myself but reducing Fair City by one episode a week makes zero sense to me. It'll have to be replaced by something for airtime? What will they replace it with? Most likely a re-run of killinaskully, of Room to Improve, which no-one will watch, so its a loss in advertising for them. By reducing one episode of FC a week, are all the actors getting a 25% reduction? Unlikely.

    I used to enjoy watching the 6-1 news on plus one, because I was never home in time to watch it at 6pm. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. I'd say most people will switch over to Sky News instead, so more advertising gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 vilap25329


    I haven't watched fair city since about 2017/18 but I was saying back then that it would benefit from scaling back to 2 or 3 episodes a week & taking the summer off like Ros Na Run does. FC was/is absolutely terrible with characters going into Spar and the pub 10 times per episode and the same conversations repeated in different locations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Who knew that the Euros were on and then the Olympics. Honestly you'd wonder why the sports department decided to get those sports the other day.

    I wonder if RTÉ could talk to the organisers of the Euros and the Olympics to maybe organise them every 4 years or every 2 years, not this really random way of every maybe 3 or 10, or I think once they had them back to back, I mean a more regular 4 years might be better no? Oh yeah, this is not unusual.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ are cutting 2 months out of Fair City's filming. This cut during the summer months, you would think that you would cut it in Nov or Dec or Jan to avoid bad weather but RTÉ have choose July and August. There is a huge question to summer months in RTÉ.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They've already cut DAB which didn't save much, they plan to cut the digital radio channels off Saorview which will save next to nothing, and cut the +1s which might actually mean a net loss

    The FC actors are all staff now are they not - do they get the same salary regardless of number of episodes (after all, not everyone is in every episode anyway)

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I used to enjoy watching the 6-1 news on plus one, because I was never home in time to watch it at 6pm. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. I'd say most people will switch over to Sky News instead, so more advertising gone.

    Yeah. You'd think they'd make it easy to catch up with the most recent news bulletin on the RTE Player. They don't even have it as a category in the app on my TV. (Issues of the player not working aside, you have to find the thing you want to watch first...)

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Kerry_2008


    I presume the saving on Fair City is that by recording 4 episodes weekly and only broadcasting 3 that they have to employ the actors for less time. Apart from the actors categorized as staff ( Tony Thornley) etc the rest are only on 6 week contracts at a time and do Panto's etc. So by only broadcasting 3 episodes they can reduce the amount of time they might need certain cast members over the course of the entire year. For example if some actor was needed for 24 weeks to record 24 episodes that means rte will get 4 months of airtime out of that actor as opposed to 3. So as time goes on on an annual basis they will need less actors on a year on year basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭iseegirls




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The main actors are all on a 31 week contract... they are now staff. The only saving got is for contract writers, actors and some crew. What do the full time staff do when Carrigstown is a desert, you'd assume that with filming Fair City 4 eps a week that some of the writters might continue to write through the summer months, but then their are the other cuts that RTÉ are making:-

    • RTÉ’s in-house Sunday evening summer factual programming will not be produced in 2024 

    I assume this is The Summer Show ... would Fair City staff not move to this show?

    • RTÉ will not produce an in-house Saturday evening entertainment show in the Spring of 2024

    I don't really know what show they are talking about (Ask Me Anything), but again would staff who would normally work on Fair City not move over to this show for the 2 months fair city ioff the air

    Not withstanding holiday (but both shows don't go out for a full 2 months one could be pre-recorded).

    • Production of a third season of The Money List will be deferred until 2025 (a second season, produced in 2023 will air in 2024)  

    Again an in-house production, why defer production if you have staff on hand due to the reduce number of Fair City episodes.

    Is everyone on the Fair City set a contractor?

    Or is it simple the Summer months that are the issue?

    It would make far more sense to film Fair City from February to November, and not be around during the Winter months.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭decor58


    It's repeated on the RTE News channel until the next bulletin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I dont currently have access to RTE on the TV, but I'll bear that in mind for when I do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    and the following bulletin! Nine repeated on most nights until the start of EuroNews on the news Channel, except on the days when Prime Time is on, its not repeat until after prime time on the News channel.

    And they aren't changing anything on the News channel you can be gaurenteed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    RTE defer The Young Offenders fourth season until 2025 as part of huge cutbacks

    Does this, combined with the news about fair city suggest that neither of the productions turns a profit?

    Post edited by Red Silurian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Possibly the most popular programme on RTE, if it's not turning a profit its because of MOD EDIT: we might not bandy accusations of this nature out so lightly.

    Post edited by icdg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The words used implied much more than that, and there should be no further posts on this topic. 48 hour ban for anyone replying to this post or the three above it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's fair

    I suppose the argument I made was RTE are cutting production because it costs them money. But you need to spend money to make money. So this suggests that YO and FC are loss-making ventures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The young offenders is partly funded by the BBC. I wonder how they feel about delaying production.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd imagine they are on board or else RTE wouldn't have gone ahead with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    If it's a 50/50 deal with BBC and RTE say they can't afford it this year, there's not a lot the BBC can do about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Unless I misread, BBC are going ahead with production, but RTE are delaying showing it. Just making themselves even less relevant really as the audience for that show will just watch it on another channel.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,867 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So you're saying that RTE will still pay to produce it but then it will be shown on BBC before it's shown on RTE?

    Surely not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Thats just stupid. I would say most homes in Ireland have access to BBC.

    Wifey: So what are we going to watch tonight?

    Hubby: On RTE 1 there is a rerun of Killinaskully.

    Wifey: Next!

    Hubby: But on BBC One there is the new season of Young Offenders.

    Wifey: Oh yes please!

    By the time RTE get around to showing it, most people will have already watched it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,819 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Yes that's true but as Virgin Media has shown there are plenty here who will watch something that's been seen before on another channel. In the case of Saturday Night Takeaway many people watched an old repeat on Virgin Media while UTV Ireland had a brand new episode on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yes as outlined in RTÉ press release.

    Drama is expensive to produce there is no question on this. Fair City had been largely cost neutral ... so we are lead to believe.. however I estimate its cost at €15m a year according to RTÉ's annual report and RTÉ's "IPU/commissioning" annual report.

    Why? I expect to see Young Offenders on the BBC in 2024.

    It is very unlikely that this is a 50/50 co-production. RTÉ at the very most only provide 2% of their total budget towards independent TV drama.

    1. Fair City €15m (RTÉ In House TV Drama)
    2. Radio Drama €500k
    3. IPU/Commissioned Drama €2.5m
    4. Acquired Irish programming/content (though this also includes non-dramas) €4.5m

    Total for independent TV drama ~€7m at most.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,038 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    The only survival advice I can give RTE is to remain impartial to all political groups in this country.

    The new Polish government has liquidated the state broadcaster TVP. And in the UK the Tories are itching to do a number on the BBC and Channel 4.

    There is obviously no love lost between Sinn Fein and RTE but RTE had better get with the programme when the Shinners get in.

    I would say that the days of inviting a Sinn Fein spokesperson on a current affairs programme and constantly talking over them in a rude manner are probably over.



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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The situation in Poland appears to have less to do with a desire to “do a number” on public media and everything to do with a dispute between the Polish government and the President who belongs to the party that was in power up until recently (they have a French style constitution which gives the president stronger powers than normal in a parliamentary system).. I don’t think it’s any indication of what the future lies for a public media there. They are trying to repair years of damage under the previous administration and that is being resisted.

    As for the UK, I think the winds have changed re Channel 4 and Labour will be in power before anything permanent is done to the BBC.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    All terrestrial TV is in trouble. Younger crowd not using it anymore. On top of that RTE is looking for the licence fee and reducing its content/service!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 brid Smith


    My understanding is, RTE need special permission from the Minister to launch or remove a channel from saorview after making an application to the department, so have they formally made an application to terminate 2xm/Chill/1x/Pulse yet ? I'm not sure if the department even know the rules anymore though, Both UTV Ireland and Irish TV got a special ministerial delegation to launch on saorview but Sky news/Challenge TV/Radio Maria/UCB radio just appeared one day after going a deal with 2rn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Is there any indication of what imported programmes (other than Neighbours and Home & Away) that RTÉ will show in the first half of 2024?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ most likely have bought most of their shows at this point, I was surprised that it is part of their new direction to reduce bought in shows.

    Fremantle (The soaps from Down Under) and BBC Studio (BBC Soaps) are possibly very important to RTÉ, so they will be kept. Though Doctors has finished on the BBC so it will be due to finish shortly on RTÉ. I suspect that any costs savings from imports will actually be on non-drama bought in Irish programming. But it hard to say.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    In the break of RTE News at 6 - "Inside Penney's", a look behind the scenes at Penney's. Maybe there is an audience for this tripe?

    Next up, "Inside Penney's Pt.2 - Inside Dunne's"

    It's easy to resent paying a licence fee ( I currently do) when brain deadening stuff like this gets turned out.

    (Yes, my opinion, perhaps loads of people looking forward to what 'Mary in stocktaking " did when they ran out of XL t-shirts. Or will it be more "Johnny in customer service " secretly fancies Maura (or Mick) in accounts.

    Only time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Plus ça change

    RTE is in one sense run like a D4 co-ed secondary school with NKM in key board of management positions:

    When rte gets rapped on the knuckles by the government the grovelling apologies will be issued but when the school inspector is gone and forgotten about, it back to the old shenanigans again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    2.7M lost over Toyshow the musical and it didn't get approval from the RTE board! Who was running the show?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,139 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    We will never be told who booked the venue or gave the go ahead to start spending.

    It's like the bloody Mafia at rte.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Names redacted in the report.. Why? What action has been taken against those who went ahead with this without authorization? Who would have benefited if it had been a success?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It doesn't seem any benifit other than some marketing advantage for RTÉ... look at the success of Toy Show the musical etc ... when you think about it RTÉ were probably expecting the show to sell out in the first month.

    Completely and utter mismanagement of the national broadcaster.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am not defending their decision. First few months of sales would have told them it wasn't going to run.

    They should have started the sales "Subject to licensing" but I imagine the idea was ingrained in the organization.

    You have to remember this was part of their Strategy 2024 which was published in 2019, every few of the aims of that strategy were rolled out: -

    • DAB axed
    • AERTEL axed (though they had to get permission for that so it was out of their hands)

    And half done

    • One unsuccessful live event
    • Management pay cut of 10%, reversed

    I don't think there is much less in that vague strategy that was actioned. As I say pure mismanagement of the national broadcaster.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Pretty clear that little has changed other than a few firm words from Kevin and Siun about learning lessons and blah blah. Expectations are much the same, note that practically every interview with a senior politician these days has to end with a discussion on how great RTE is and the future of funding.

    Anyone who made decisions about that show should have been fired yesterday. If they haven't already walked, speaking of which what happened to Coveney?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The absolute mismanagement of the Nation Public Service Broadcaster is an absolute disgrace.

    How can the current DG say that the former CFO had nothing to do with her Redundancy package, while at the same time saying that RTÉ take full responsibility.

    The CFO was RTÉ, the CFO designed the redundancy package with the rest of the executive board, while it looks like the HR Manager (also a member of the Executive Board) was aware of the CFO exit, how the HR manager was placed on the Leadership team is bizarre.

    Meanwhile a former Board member / director of RTÉ is moved in as Company Secretary after he sat on a board that failed to meet its governance requirements.

    Compete and utter mismanagement. Time for RTÉ to be split up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He said this would cost €140 million a year with additional investment of €12.5 million to An Post, as it will lose seven per cent of its revenue for administering the licence fee.

    195m in 2022 went to RTÉ alone from the license fee in 2022.

    Of the €221.5 million licence fee collected in 2022, €195.6 million (88%) was received by RTÉ. The remaining licence fee collected, €25.9 million, was used to pay An Post collection costs and related charges and to provide funding for the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) Sound & Vision Fund. Licence fee income received by RTÉ in 2022 was down €0.5 million compared to 2021, as TV licence sales failed to recover to pre-COVID levels. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Future of RTÉ seems to be to postpone Dramas but have the BBC air them!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,819 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    The strategy to delay the showing of dramas which are already made to save money makes absolutely no sense.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    It apparently means they don’t have to book the spend until it airs. You’re right, it doesn’t really save money and the cheques still have to be written, it is an accounting rule rather than anything else. They held on to Amber for three whole years during which it had aired in lots of other countries for the same reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    People who don’t pay the TV licence have absolutely no business complaining about this or about any part of how RTÉ operates. They are part of the problem.

    The most viable solution is to just include the licence fee on a utility bill. Does away with the licence free gathering process and keeps it well away from being funded by the exchequer.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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