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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #29312
    50HX
    Registered Users Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭50HX


    We are not that stuck for wingers to move Ringrose there, in match maybe as a necessity but not starting



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    #29313
    Billy_the_Kid
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
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    We are short top level wingers, Calvin Nash might get a call up



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    #29314
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561707#Comment_121561707

    Think it’s far too early for Ahern to be called up. He has some brilliant moments but he’s a luxury backrow atm. If you look at how Baird and Prendergast have preformed in terrible conditions over the last few weeks, the dirty stuff mixed with standout, that’s far closer to what’s needed at test level. Let Ahern find his feet at Munster for a season or two first.



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    #29315
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The thing in Ahern's favour is he can play second row and back row, that versatility could have him included at the cost of someone else.



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    #29316
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He's in the same boat as Beirne and Baird but with less experience.

    I'd imagine Prendergast is next up if POM is not back, rather than shift Beirne to 6.



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    #29317
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,589 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Like Beirne, Baird and Henderson???



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    #29318
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I think Connors could be the one called up if there’s a new back row brought in from the extended RWC squad, him or Hodnett but think Farrell would prefer Connors.

    6 POM Prendergast Baird

    7 VDF Connors

    8 Doris Conan



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    #29319
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,446 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Lowe and Hansen being out is a great chance to reward guys in good form like TOB, Nash and maybe give Balacoune another shot. Shame that Osbourne is out injured, I think he'd be in with a strong shot to make the 23 at least.



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    #29320
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121564096#Comment_121564096

    killgallen (injured), Bolton and Stockdale other names that are in form. Although Bolton is very much in the power winger mould to replace Lowe, would probably need a longer run to be considered.



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    #29321
    Pudsy33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Do we know when the 6n squad will be announced? Presumably pretty soon?



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    #29322
    jonok28
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    It will never happen because they will want to win the 6 nations but there is a world in which a huge number of the internationals from the past 12 months could sit back and new blood be brought in

    Players like:

    Oli Jager, Roman Salanoa, Jack Boyle, Jeremy Loughman, Tom Stewart ,Edwin Edogbo, Joe McCarthy. Thomas Ahearn, Craig Casey, Sam Prendergast, Jack Carty, Jack Crowley Jacob Stockdale, Robert Baloucoune, Calvin Nash, Jordan Larmour, Stuart McCluskey, Cathal Forde, Antoine Frisch, Ciaran Frawley, Jimmy O'Brien, Shane Daly, Rob Russell, Tommy O'Brien etc...

    I'm not saying drop the entire World cup squad but there is plenty of talent in Ireland that deserves more of a chance.

    Resting players like Andrew Porter, Tadhg Furlong, Ronan Kelleher, Josh Van Der Flier, Jack Conan, JGP, James Lowe, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, Bundee Aki, Hugo Keenan and others gives them time to get healthy, rest there bodies that have been in war after war after war the past 12+ months and give others a chance, whilst allowing these players to rediscover form isn't the worst idea in the world, especially when other teams in the competition apart from France and maybe Scotland are all in rebuild mode themselves.



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    #29323
    clsmooth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121566405#Comment_121566405

    I can imagine Ger Gilroy saying that first sentence on OTB.

    There is no world in which that happens for many reasons. One it’s disrespectful of our main competition, two we’d likely lose most of our games, three the mood music around the team would turn toxic with people calling for Farrell’s head, loss of prize money and dwindling crowds, four how do you think the key players getting rested who have short careers are going to react to being told they’re not needed for now. They’re just the ones that came off the top of my head but I’m sure there’s plenty more.



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    #29324
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121566405#Comment_121566405

    However in this world absolutely no team competing in the 6N would even dream of doing this because it would be lambs to the slaughter and somewhere between pointless and counterproductive.

    What exactly is it you think this would accomplish?



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    #29325
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121566405#Comment_121566405

    Why would any country do something as ridiculous in the best yearly competition in the World?

    Ireland of all countries has a player welfare system in place to make sure the top internationals get the rest they need. Dropping the best players in the country in the blind hope that someone might be able to step up is a sure fire way to get the sack as head coach

    No other team is going to mass drop players. France did it once because they had a World Cup to aim for and look how that left them. They won't do it again and go all out to win everything from now on



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    #29326
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121566405#Comment_121566405

    Roman Salanoa! You're joking? He's injured 90% of the time.



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    #29327
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    Mack Hansen confirmed out of the 6N. Shite.



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    #29328
    Pudsy33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    And Lowe still MIA, could be a very different looking back 3 come February.



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    #29329
    Interested Observer
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    Lowe was pictured in training (well, running at least) before the Ulster game. If he's not back this weekend then you'd wonder.



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    #29330
    Billy_the_Kid
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
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    Bad news around Mack, he looked in trouble at the time. Big opportunity for all the other wingers to get game time. Would Zebo be in the mix? On form he would deserve the call up



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    #29331
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Zebo has only played 3 games this season, he's played well but has gotten a lot more airtime because they happened to be interpros...



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    #29332
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    There were some incredibly reckless clear outs in the Munster/Connacht game, leading to long term injuries for both sides.



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    #29333
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users Posts: 17,339 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121586329#Comment_121586329

    Think Hansen's injury was pretty much the last ruck of the game as well. Got dumped on his shoulder.



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    #29334
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Ireland has coverage in most positions, of course 10 is the most glaring but I think Farrell is doing a grat job giving lads opportunitise, it's not a case of wholesale changes, more 1 or 2 changes per game to give players game time, we were 1 score from a RWC semi final so no need to change everything.



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    #29335
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Mack was one of our better performers in the RWC and is now out for the 6Ns, that's not good. How good would it be to have Conway now.

    We're possibly without POM too, another stand out player during the RWC, at least in the back row there is cover.



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    #29336
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    JOB will apparently be out long term as well.

    I think we still don't know the story with Lowe.

    Stockdale to come back in? He's playing well this season. If Lowe doesn't make it we could have an unfamiliar face, Nash maybe?



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    #29337
    CONSI
    Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭CONSI


    Think the back 3 will be Keenan, Stockdale and Nash...Ringrose and Bundee in the centre and crowley, JGP at half back. My only concern would be the french wingers, who give nightmares to better, more seasoned wingers than we have and I'd hate to see Nash or someone get a chance and then have a tough game against genuine world class players...



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    #29338
    bingobango12
    Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭bingobango12


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121586229#Comment_121586229

    We’re in dire straights if Simon Zebo is anywhere near the squad.

    Keenan, Lowe, Nash, Stockdale, Baloucoune, O’Brien, Larmour all streets ahead. Bolton at Connacht has looked decent aswell.



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    #29339
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,446 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I'm hoping TOB and Baloucoune get a shot. Little interest in seeing a Stockdale retread, he's not at the standard required imo. Such a shame Osbourne is out.



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    #29340
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121587054#Comment_121587054

    Baloucoune has lost confidence/form entirely at this stage. He looks a shadow of the player he was in 2022.



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    #29341
    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121587052#Comment_121587052

    Keenan is full back, Lowe hasnt played, Nash should be ahead of Zebo, Stockdale has looked good and should be ahead of Zebo, Balacoune looks out of form, O Brien is injured, Larmour maybe. We arent stocked at wing at all at this stage.

    Zebo shouldn't be near the squad but we are struggling there.



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