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Disabled parking permits

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Stephenc66


    My mother had blue badge because of reduced lung capacity and the inability to walk any great distance unaided and ultimately required the use of a wheelchair.

    We as a family would driver her to her various medical appointments. In places that we knew well and say somewhere like Nenagh hospital, we would pull up and use the disabled space. Escort my mum to her appointment and leave her in the nurses care. We would then return to our car and move it to a regular space so someone else could have the use of the space. We might repeat this procedure leaving or use the set down area.

    When returning to the car without my mum in her wheelchair lot of people by the look they give you assume you are not entitled to be there.

    I have no doubt that a small minority might abuse a family members pass but don't judge what you don't know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Rumy


    I agree



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Rumy


    Your nieve, wide spread abuse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Just so you know, if you are transporting or collecting a person who is a blue badge holder (your Mum) you are allowed use a disability space, once their pass is displayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Cheers Ezeoul thank you, and yes we would often do that as well, especially in places like St James in Dublin where it was just not practical to move or in service areas etc.

    Moving the car after availing of the designated space is something we used to do where practical especially in areas of limited disability spaces and as we the drivers were able bodied could do this with out much inconvenience. Sometimes we might be parked up a couple of hours it seemed pointless tying up a space when there was no real need and others might need it more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I have a problem with the use of disabled discs. I often see people parking in a disabled spot and then running to the hairdressers, shops etc. I think many people are abusing the system as the disc is not theirs but belongs to a family member who is disabled and that the disc should only be used when the disabled person is in the car.





  • No there is though? Pulling someone up on whether or not they have a disability because it’s not apparent to you is wrong. It’s frankly none of your damn business!

    unless you’re a parking warden or a garda you should mind your own business or failing that apply to do that job or feck off!!

    had a woman once mouth at me for using a disabled toilet. Have sarcoidosis in my lungs and couldn’t manage the 4 story stair ride to the toilets (elevators were off at the time cos covid).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Actually you have a problem with the misuse of disabled badges.

    Nobody in the thread is defending misuse.

    People who misuse the system should be dealt with and people who genuinely need the blue badge should be supported.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    But this unfortunately is where you are wrong.

    It is my business and the business of each and every blue badge holder!

    I have a blue badge. I was medically assessed and have to pay for it. I do not ask people about their disability or if they have one so maybe you read it wrong but I do ask if they have a blue badge and if it is theirs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    All this and my mother (Parkinsons) is entitled to one but she absolutely refuses to get one.


    1) Because she won't admit to it and doesn't want the label of it

    2) She doesn't want to pay the fee despite being able to afford it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You are rightly annoyed about people abusing the blue badge system.

    However that does not give you the right to police the system personally.

    You have no agency to accost citizens and question them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    It's €35 for two years. Are people seriously talking about that aspect of it.





  • The shopping trolley can actually beca great “aid” to a lot of people with mobility issues and can increase the distance able to be negotiated. As I have ataxia with the ms I find the trolley a real bonus and leave the stick in it along with bags and shopping.,Have heard a lot of people like me say the same, also my mother used the supermarket trolley to great effect too and she could go a much greater distance with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    If I need to use a space that is being abused by a vehicle with no permit I have every right to pull them on it. I've prepaid to use it and I've often had to return home because some ill mannered scrote is abusing the space.





  • The disabled toilet thing is pretty awful if one if challenged. In your situation there it was most appropriate to use it as it is with others in various circumstances. My mobility issue is now very visible, but before that I’ve had a stoma where a disabled toilet is sometimes the one that has to be used as it contains a washbasin for hygiene, and a table or ledge to put stoma management supplies. I’ve had no problem telling people why I need to use it, but I wish pre used would, like in Japan and sone other places, put a stoma symbol also on the door as a means of indication that use of facility is not exclusive to people confined to a wheelchair.



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  • look if you want to pretend to be a traffic warden and go around finger wagging god bless, it’s still none of your business, but anyway.

    Honestly I could argue by your logic as a working tax paying citizen I can go into the emergency dept of my local hospital and question people who look like they’re not sick enough for emergency care. Sure I’m a taxpayer I fund this hospital so I do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Questioning if someone is sick or not is nothing to do with the abuse of a disabled parking space.

    It's very simple. If you do not have a permit you do not have the right to use the space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Questioning someone using a space with no badge on display is one thing, but questioning someone on whether the badge displayed is theirs, crosses a line.

    It could be someone (such as the poster above who takes his mother to hospital appointments) who is transporting or waiting to collect a badge holder. While doing so, they are also allowed to park and wait for the badge holder in a disability space.





  • 🤣 There’s a whole lot of that very thing goes on surreptitiously by the glance of an eye in A&E; had my only bit of fun over 15 hours in a chair (before getting a trolley, then a bed) wryly observing human behaviours. You could see eyes glance around silently asking “what’s up with him, he doesn’t look sick! He’s taking up tine & space for little reason! Does he actually enjoy coming to A&E for a picnic?” Heard some low whispers, but it was the observable following of eyes & ears trying to find out the merit of their attendance. One guy made the point quite indignantly “I arrived by ambulance, I should get seen to ahead of the others who didn’t and I should be lying down not sat bolt upright here in a waiting room”.

    Human judgement is always rife when competing for more limited resources.





  • That is indeed very plain, you have if you haven’t a permit, and there is actually nobody official effectively policing these spaces, although I have seen reports in Garda traffic twitter where they’ve caught the odd abuser.

    A question some are asking here is about the merit on which sone were issued, which has been addressed by various posters. But it would be very galling indeed if a legit permit holder was seen walking swiftly unaided and easily past a person experiencing ongoing difficulties with mobility and who had found themselves denied in their application.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    While I agree with you to some extent a genuine person should have no problem as it is in our best interests to deter the abusers.

    I spoke to a man before with no permit going into a chipper. His reply was he didn't know it was a disabled space after 6pm. How do you reply to that? I was blocking the whole road on one side of a busy town at commuting time and had to sit there until he moved.





  • look if you think you have the right to questions strangers about their entitlement to a badge, I don’t know how to help you.

    the part I just can’t get over is this notion you have the right to do so as a pass holder. The fact is like it or not you have no business or right to do so.

    you’re not out there making a difference you’re just being a busybody.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    I'm moving abusers out of the space I need and paid for and am entitled to use. I'm sorry if you don't understand this. Perhaps you don't have a permit or have not experienced the difficulties when these limited spaces are abused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    I think you are over dramatising the situation there.

    Just because the blue space is taken up doesn't mean there isn't a single empty space anywhere else you could park in.





  • You have seriously misunderstood the system if you think you paid for the spaces or indeed the use thereof.

    What you paid for was administrative fees for processing your application and printing your badge. You haven’t suddenly earned the exclusive use of the spaces, never mind paying for them.

    So you harass people with some perceived right to do so while also thinking you lease the spaces for two years at a rate of €35…

    give me strength



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    If there is more than one disabled space I will park in an empty space. The only problem that may arise is if there is only one space like in many towns and it is being abused by someone with no permit.

    Anyone who has no issue with these spaces being abused are part of the problem.

    Landon Mango Vehicle I am well aware of the ins and out and rules of the scheme, I had to be poked and prodded and jumped through enough hoops to get a permit. Likewise when we are shopping and I stay in the car we use a normal space out of good manners even though the rules allow us to occupy a disabled space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Baybay


    Reading over some of the comments here, I wonder if people like me are partially to blame. My father was a blue badge holder for about ten years before he died. He had emphysema. A lot of days when we were out, he didn’t look ill but walking, even short distances, could exhaust him. Frequently people could see me, if they were bothered, sprinting back to the blue badged car in the disabled spot, me jumping in & rushing off to collect him from where he’d have had to sit, simply not having the breath to make it back to the car. It never occurred to me at the time, but I’m sure I must have got some funny looks!



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Eldudeson


    If the badge is there, the badge is there. It's not up to anybody here to question it's legitimacy.


    If there's no badge there and it's an audi or bmw, well we've all seen that 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    What happens if you ask someone "is that your badge?" and they say "yes it is?"

    Do you take their word for it or ask to see the photograph on the back?

    To be honest, I am a user, and I honestly don't think I'd appreciate being questioned by anyone other than a traffic warden or a Gardaí.

    I certainly wouldn't be taking my badge out of the holder, to prove to some random guy on the street that I am entitled to use the space.

    And as mentioned earlier, when someone transporting or collecting a badge holder, they can legitimately use a disability space, even though their photo will not be on the badge.

    I'd leave the policing of badges, to the Gardaí or traffic wardens who have the authority to ask to inspect the badge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Exactly. I had a do gooder flashing his parking permit at me and demanding to see mine . Follow alot of cursing on my part



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    No doubt, Baybay, you got some funny looks alright!

    But your post goes to show that you never really can tell what might be going on, so shouldn't jump to conclusions based on appearances alone.





  • No one said (or even implied) agreement with abusing the spaces.

    that said there’s an almost unanimous agreement that interrogation of people on the street regarding their eligibility is wrong and should be left to the proper authorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    You seem to be missing my point.

    If the only disabled spot is legitimately being used, then why would you not just park on the street and display your badge?





  • I really think there ought to be an optional extra sticker/badge stating that driver is driving permit holder to explain broadly differing situations. Something like “Driver designated by Permit Holder”’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    It should ,if you're not a garda or traffic warden I'm not going to explain to you or anyone else why have one .







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Demonique


    Just because you have sour grapes about not getting a badge doesnt mean other people are faking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Demonique



    Using a trolley doesnt count as walking unaided



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    What's your point? My own mother can't seem to get rid of vertigo and holds a trolley to steady herself but it doesn't entitle her to a permit.

    And based on my post you quoted plenty of people walk kms around the store without a trolley.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,949 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Am I right in thinking that there's no way for anyone, other than a Garda or parking warden, to validate in any whether the person parking with a blue badge is actually entitled to be parking with a blue badge.

    It's not just about the payment machine though. It opens up the possibility of regular, even daily parking in an on-street parking bay. I see one such vehicle parked most days at a particular spot near me. I suspect that the blue badge is being abused, but I've no way to confirm this.





  • More or less yeah. It’s not possible for me or you to determine if someone’s disc is valid.

    No more so than a tax, insurance or NCT disc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'm not sure. The disabled parking blue disc is allocated to the disabled person so in essence they have to be in the vehicle when the pass is being used. It seems that many are used by family or friends of the disabled person and this is an offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You would need to know the person availing of the blue badge to be sure whether they were the entitled holder.

    A lot of the confusion arises from people observing blue badge users and making a judgement based on their appearance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes but a Garda would have no trouble identifying the driver or asking for i/d.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Am I right in thinking that there's no way for anyone, other than a Garda or parking warden, to validate in any whether the person parking with a blue badge is actually entitled to be parking with a blue badge.

    Correct.

    And contrary to some posts here, someone who is dropping off or collecting a blue badge holder, is permitted to park in a disability space while doing so, once they have the badge on display. So the badge holder does not technically have to be in the car at all times.

    It's not just about the payment machine though. It opens up the possibility of regular, even daily parking in an on-street parking bay. I see one such vehicle parked most days at a particular spot near me. I suspect that the blue badge is being abused, but I've no way to confirm this.

    Blue badge holders are allowed park for unlimited durations in public / council owned spaces.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    A Garda could do that but they seem for the most part to only intervene where a car is parked without displaying a blue badge.

    Of course you are correct that someone using a blue badge they are not entitled to is committing a parking offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Committing a lot more than just a parking offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes if convicted in court of fraud in connection with a permit there is a heavier fine and possibly even a custodial sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    My 87 year old grandfather has osteoporosis but he can walk unaided a short distance. His difficulty is that if someone parks close beside him he’s not able to bend himself to access his own car.

    Would that qualify ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    If that distance he can walk is less than 50 meters then I think he'd have a very good chance of being granted a badge. He should apply.

    (For scale, 50 meters is the length of an olympic-sized swimming pool).



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