Global warming

Please explain what that cycle actually is. Nothing happens without a driver so what drives the natural heating and cooling you suggest accounts for the current warming trend. Be specific - what is the actual mechanism.

Climate scientists actually have a mechanism to explain current warming - whats yours and where is your evidence. Please share your knowledge with us poor fools.

Not sure I want to engage after the sentence "Please share your knowledge with us poor fools". . . .

Always listened to what the late great and much loved David Bellamy had to say on the subject, acknowledging (that there is a man-made component to global warming) but that the % is unknown and unquantifiable, due to all the moving parts in our ecosystem, from sun spots to El Niño to volcanic activity, to deforestation to changes in ocean currents, the jet stream, not forgetting carbon dioxide emissions (created by us).

Bellamy would never capitulate to the BBC narrative that we alone were responsible for climate change ... so they let him go, & he was effectively CANCELLED.

BELLAMY QUOTE

.... I am a scientist and I have to ­follow the directions of science but when I see that the truth is being covered up I have to voice my ­opinions.

According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that?

The sad fact is that since I said I didn’t believe human beings caused global warming I’ve not been allowed to make a TV programme.

My absence has been noticed, because wherever I go I meet people who say: “I grew up with you on the television, where are you now?”

It was in 1996 that I criticised wind farms while appearing on Blue Peter and I also had an article published in which I described global warming as poppycock.

The truth is, I didn’t think wind farms were an effective means of alternative energy so I said so. Back then, at the BBC you had to toe the line and I wasn’t doing that.

At that point I was still making loads of television programmes and I was enjoying it greatly. Then I suddenly found I was sending in ideas for TV shows and they weren’t getting taken up. I’ve asked around about why I’ve been ignored but I found that people didn’t get back to me.

At the beginning of this year there was a BBC show with four experts saying: “This is going to be the end of all the ice in the Arctic,” and hypothesising that it was going to be the hottest summer ever. Was it hell! It was very cold and very wet and now we’ve seen evidence that the glaciers in Alaska have started growing rapidly – and they’ve not grown for a long time.

I’ve seen evidence, which I believe, that says there has not been a rise in global temperature since 1998, despite the increase in carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere. This makes me think the global warmers are telling lies – carbon dioxide is not the driver.

The idiot fringe have accused me of being like a Holocaust denier, which is ludicrous. Climate change is all about cycles, it’s a natural thing and has always happened. When the Romans lived in Britain they were growing very good red grapes and making wine on the borders of Scotland. It was evidently a lot warmer.

If you were sitting next to me 10,000 years ago we’d be under ice. So thank God for global warming for ending that ice age; we wouldn’t be here otherwise".

Article in Full

https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/69623/BBC-shunned-me-for-denying-climate-change

It is not what Savorys is promoting, which is an intensive system of land management with specific proposed outcomes.

What the paper is discussing is a situation where an evolved ecosystem has one of its key components removed and so it shows a market decline from its peak biodiversity. Ecologists have know for at least a century that regular small scale ecological disruption (grazing in this case) promotes increased biodiversity. Climax ecosystems without regular disruption are less diverse than systems which experience disruptions. This is why in Africa elephants are critical components of savanna because they knock down trees and stop the savanna evolving towards a less diverse climax forest.

None of this is proof of Savorys claimed benefits - benefits which real ecologists have looked for in his system and failed to find. Lets be clear here - the claim we are interested in here is that the Savory system can offset human climate change emissions and reverse anthropogenic climate change. So no one here is arguing against maintaining bio-diverse extensive grazing systems (the opposite of global ranching and feed lot agriculture). What people are disputing is the range of miraculous benefits claimed for by a particular extreme form of cattle ranching.

FAKE NEWS.

60+% of the land surface is not desert.

Climate change is the primary driver of desertification - you cannot reverse this with grazing. Soil degradation through agriculture is only a secondary cause of desertification, agricultural productivity declines from stable rates as water starved land becomes less productive.

Savorys system applied to a savanna in drought will destroy that savanna -even if it doesn't in a normal year.

I am actually in favour of restorative agriculture - its bound to be a massive improvement on the intensive rangelots it replaces.

What I am totally against is people making wild and unsupported claims about its potential to restore biodiversity, reverse deserification and halt climate change.

Such people discredit restorative agriculture.

The primary benefit of restorative agriculture appropriately applied is in its less intensive nature - ie fewer grazers not more.

Your not a farmer are you.