The new recycling system

No... Just wanted to know how it's inconvenient to you...

I doubt that very much. You don't even seem to realise you can drop off the cans/bottles while doing the weekly shop

So you pay €100 a year for your "fiercely independent" relative to have glass collected and you get her Greyhound bags as part of your own general shopping, but bringing her cans/bottles back is out of the question? How come?

So you don't accept that it could be?

Oh so salty😂😂. I get it some people are so invested is a particular shiny new initiative that they would stick a cocktail stick in their eye tp prove it doesnt hurt

I suppose if you know for an absolute fact that you are never going to be near a shop that takes returns

Where did I say that?

The bonus is the bin companies will then get your deposit so by your logic won't increase charges... Win/Win

I don't know what logic you are using there but it certainly isn't mine.

You do understand there is a whole world that exists outside your personal bubble right?

Labelling people stupid who don't confirm to that is rather stupid isn't it?

Do I want to post this, I'm not so sure......

I prefer to drink from glass bottles but when I don't my current system is

1) Drink liquid from can.

2) Rinse can and allow to dry over night beside the sink.

3) Crush can underfoot and toss into Green bin (I'm outside the M50 but that's what I call it).

4) Wheel green bin 5 feet to the curb every 2 weeks for collection by Greyhound.

That's my routine and the routine of the hundreds that live in my estate and housing estates up and down the country.

Soon it will be

1) Drink liquid from can.

2) Rinse can and allow to dry over night. I'm not leaving cans with sticky residue in my home for any length of time.

3) Put can into bag/box until I go out in car somewhere that has a machine. Nearest I've seen built so far looks to be 3km as the crows (an Aldi) fly but crows can't carry cans so it'll be a 5.1km drive, hopefully that will change.

I've asked at my nearest Centra and they said they are exempt from this scheme, I've also asked at my local Circle K and they reckon they are also exempt. I guess both on size as they are both small places. We currently use Dunnes or Tesco online for our shopping so this is an extra trip for us.

4) Put cans into machine hoping they won't be rejected.

5) Take back my rejected cans if there any.

6) Take my dispensed voucher into shop to get a refund.

7) Drive home.

8) Crush rejected cans underfoot and toss into Green bin.

9) Put Green bin outside house every 2 weeks for collection by Greyhound. Even if no cans are rejected I still have to put out the Green bin with cardboard and plastics etc that don't come under this scheme.

Along with that I'll be taking the odd trip to the glass bottle bank which is nowhere near the nearest RVM.

People talk of convenience, how about putting RVMs beside current glass bottle banks? It's already been established that a lot of people recycle glass. That would actually be convenient.

People talk of convenience, how about cutting out the need for PRINTED RECIEPTS in this day and age and just log refunds directly into an account or back onto a loyalty card.

Something with 4 steps turns into 9 steps to achieve the same thing but I keep reading that its not inconvenient. It's certainly less convenient.

As a concept it's a good idea but it is so poorly implemented. I guess people will come back to say that it works in other counties etc, maybe it does but I don't see the logic to it's costly implementation here considering the system we have in place seems to work very well. We should actually putting pressure on manufacturers to to use less packaging imho but that won't get us nice new machines outside shops I guess.

Its also not very boardsie to use a tiny subset of society to object to a scheme which aims to increase recycling rates and hence be more environmentally friendly.

The costs are so small, they are almost irrelevant. If they are that close to the breadline, don't buy plastic bottles or cans. They're not being forced to do anything.

I might be stumped on this as drink many cans of fizzy drinks thinking this is towards a single can purchase over a multipack which carry a different barcode ?

Not even checked what new services and other fees are going to be for the year.

Yes none of my business when the hard question gets asked haha! I'd argue you're not really painting the picture of somebody who is "Fiercely independent" if she relies on that much support from others.

Somebody of her age would have been around during the last deposit-return scheme, you should ask her how the "fiercely independent" used the scheme at the time and apply the same principals

Your new step 2 isn't required by the scheme. That's a personal preference. Step 3, unless you live a very sheltered life is unlikely to ever happen, you will most likely be returning the cans as part of another trip. Step 5 and 8 are unlikely to happen as the machines have shown to be very reliable in countries with these schemes. The machines are due to give cash so that's step 6 gone. Step 7 is gone, same reason as step 3.

So your actual steps are still at 4

A) Drink liquid from can.

B) Put can into bag/box until I go out in car somewhere that has a machine.

C) Put cans into machine

D) Put Green bin outside house every 2 weeks for collection by Greyhound. Even if no cans are rejected I still have to put out the Green bin with cardboard and plastics etc that don't come under this scheme.

I reckon the option of putting the can to one side until you are going to a manual collection shop is best.

Going from 4 bins to 5 bins really isn't that inconvenient.