Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Donald

Give it up. The “brown” thing is getting silly now. I’m not tit tatting over it anymore in case I get a warning from the mods but at least have the good grace to admit that it was rubbish and wasn’t funny.

Even the anti-Israeli folk on your side don’t try to argue it.

All the best boyo.

I didn’t watch it.

That's strange. You were trying to convince others to google for some clip of someone who was blown up.

Yet you wouldn't watch a 5 second clip embedded on the thread. But you are happy to dismiss it nonetheless.

Who is the invading force in Russia war on Ukraine?

Who is the invading force in Israel war on Palestinian kids?

Do you need me to give you a link showing you the "before" and "after" maps in both cases?

I've seen all the maps. Ukraine is the victim in the Russo-Ukraine war. Russia is the aggressor, and they've made it clear theirs is a fight to the death, the first of many that they intend to start.

Regarding Israel, various groups have been trying to wipe them out constantly since 1947. No two-state solution, they want the Jews dead. The genocidal chant "From the River to the Sea" makes it clear. Like Ukraine, Israelis fight for their existence or they will be annihilated.

And yet we can see all these countries and groups that clearly want as many Russians dead as possible. Billions and billions worth of arms and military support being handed over to the enemy of Russia. And economic sanctions being put on their to cripple their economy.

But again, the mirror of the conditions don't count when it comes to Israel. Some imagined and claimed threat from surrounding countries speaks louder than actual billions of military hardware being launched at it or it's forces. A few lads with AK-47s and addidas tracksuits making a TikTok because Israelis killed their grandparents is the real threat.

Israel is Russia. Russia is Israel. I condemn both. You cannot condemn on the conditions of an incident - your condemnation is conditional on knowing who committed it. If Russia did it - they are very bold boys. If Israel did it - "hey, look over there. Whaddabout something else"

Donald, Donald, Donald,

Don’t be getting all defensive.

The border police woman who was killed was not white. Proof your “brown” v white stuff was rubbish. Her photograph was available. I never mentioned a video.

Sorry for not wanting to watch a video of a woman being shot. I didn’t watch the Hamas videos from Oct 7th either. Further, I didn’t “dismiss it”, I condemned it.

Maybe stop jumping to conclusions next time.

Best Regards.

You don't see the hypocrisy though? Completely opposite standards and logic applied to the two?

If someone posted on here, hoping for the destruction of the invading belligerent of Israel in the same way you hope for the destruction of the invading belligerent of Russia, you'd go mental.

Most Israeli jews are "brown" and indistinguishable from their Arab neighbours. This is because they all share middle eastern ancestry. despite what people like to claim about israelis being white European "colonisers", it's just not the case for the majority

It's still not a fight to the death. Russia won't use Nuclear weapons as they know it's a dead end for them . Putin will be forced to the table eventually. You can have lofty notions about Ukraine winning and not negotiating a settlement, but real politik will kick in Washington at some stage if there is no hope of either side winning. Its not morally right, but unfortunately geo politics has little time for moral niceties

Your attempt to equate the Russians with the likes of hamas is flawed. Hamas and Hezbollah are not an existential threat to Israel. Russia at one stage certainly was a threat to the functioning of the Ukraine state, but they are not in a position to over throw the Ukranian government much less marching on other countries. This war has shown the Russian military is no match for the west's. Putin might be a lot of things, but he is not mad he will never march on a NATO country. Any suggestion that he will is nonsense

I can't speak for anyone who was in NI. I lived in England in the sixties through to the early nineties, moved to ROI for 2 years, moved to Scotland for 2 years then back to ROI permanently (bar a 6month stint in Israel with a few years on monthly travels to Israel).

You said:

"Because Israel is constantly under attack from Lebanon and is defending itself."

The poster replied

"England was constantly under attack from Ireland, you would have been fine with Dublin, Cork, Galway etc getting bombed to the stone age?"

The analogy and the question are valid. Whether England was under actual real constant attack is not relevant. The public mood was one of fear - I recall all the posters on the London Underground, the Public Information campaigns about "suspicious packages". Then there would be a bombing somewhere - London, Warrington - the fear would ratchet up a notch or two. If there were kids involved, four or five notches. The fear was very real.

In my opinion, the analogy is good because I do recall my parents and adult relatives calling for action to be taken against "Ireland". In those times, I don't believe they were talking about "negotiations" - more like direct action. The Falkand's war was in 1982 - there were parallels drawn by the common people between that and what the "Brits" should do to "Ireland".

Of course, as previously mentioned, when I came to live in ROI I learned the history. Not that the Brits were particularly lying to the population about the "troubles" - more that all I saw on TV in England was blokes in balaclavas (bad guys) and blokes in Pigs (good guys) getting petrol bombed etc. And only the educated (and the politicians) knew the distinction between the Irish and the IRA. Balaclava bad (Irish), Pig good (British).

And some Brits still think that.

So, do you care to answer the question the poster posed to you?

Some pictures of various ambassadors doesn't change the fact that the biggest group of Jews in Israel are mizrahi, who historically come from north Africa and the Middle East

There are plenty of pale skinned, light haired Palestinians also. For example

It doesn't mean anything. Why are you obsessed with skin colour?

Because he doesn’t have the good grace to concede that his point is complete and utter rubbish and that no matter how often he says it it’s still nonsense.

Oh Putler is absolutely making long term plans. Firstly, they're preparing Russian children for generations of war. They're also plotting to gain allies in the West, which is also working as Victor Orban is basically on his side in Hungary and the US with the GOP is starting to buckle in their support for Ukraine. In particular, Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene (or as I call them Matt Putz and Marjorie Traitor Greene) basically wants to hand the whole thing over to Putler. If the US goes full-on isolationist, and/or if NATO is weakened by other events, then the Putler Jugend might just be up for the fight.

And there will be no end with a "negotiated settlement" as Putler has already broken a number of agreements. Two with Ukraine (the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the 2014 Minsk Agreement) and another with Chechnya (then an independent country which Russia made "peace" with and recognised in the 1990s).

Any "negotiated settlement" between Ukraine and Russia would be nothing more than a ploy to give Russia time to re-arm and try again in 5-10 years when the West is distracted with something else. It would work no better than the Munich Agreement of 1938, because the word of a dictator is worth less than nothing. The only way to end this is to either cause Russia to collapse with sanctions, or to for Ukraine to put enough Russians into body bags. Or for Ukraine to surrender.

Israel is in the same predicament. Their enemies won't stop plotting and scheming against them and it's very unlikely that there is a peaceful solution. Therefore, both Ukraine and Israel have to use force.

We bombed their houses, how funny 🙄