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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Not really, not to the same degree anyway. I tuned in for the last few minutes of it, there's no way I would sit through a full episode anymore.

    Reading the commentary on here is the highlight of the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He is the 6th generation farming there so they must have been adding sheds all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    Liked the house in the end .. but to natter on about budget constantly at beginning of show to end up not mentioning costs at the end is embarrassing. It’s obvious now that budget was never an issue with the couple.

    They really need to show how to get these grants and what needs to be done structurally it makes it seem getting these grants is a very straight forward process. They don’t show the hoops you need to jump through to get them.

    It’s mentioned every series but I want to see what heating is used for the windows. I want to see how the house was built and less focus on interior design and final finish. Also want to see more normal builds like a nice extension on a regular 3 bed semi on a realistic budget and not people who 1/2 a million to spend.

    They were working off a grant last night that hadn’t even been started and only announced during the build.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    The doorways were so short that even Dermot had to bow slightly when walking through them - wouldn't there be some building regulation that these would need to be increased in height?..

    All the hype about this years show was to do with cost of living and environmental issues; didn't see much coverage on these. NOt having the QA on board think meant that there was less focus on the figures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Yes, felt I might as well have only tuned in for the last 10 minutes and even then we seemed to only get a glimpse of the house. But liked what they done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    They definitely glossed over the build, disappointing.

    Budget budget budget...kitchen counter decisions.....high end finished product with no figures discussed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I find these enormous, gigantic open plan kitchens are far too big! There is nothing cosy about them.

    My daughter has one and believe me with 3 kids the noise is unreal, if she is sitting on one side talking I can't here her as the sound seems to bounce off the huge windows, huge walls and high ceilings. There is nothing to absorb the sound, especially with screaming kids. Also it never feels cosy or snug, despite underfloor heating. The underfloor heating is nice, it gives a temperate climate but I always have to wear jumpers as there is no direct heat anywhere. The huge windows make it feel cold. I love light and space myself but I find a lot of these kitchen/living areas are far too big. Nowhere to escape either :-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The programme did not go in to the tender process, how many (if any) builders tendered etc. I agree it was not very transparent the whole Q.S thing. At the beginning I think Dermot said the client had not the money for a Quantity Surveyor and he was only getting the Q.S. from Buncrana as a favour to him for the day, or something like that? Then she was there later on in the programme? I know the tv company pays Dermot's / the architects fees but I thought the Q.S. in other programmes was paid by the client?

    For a lot of the programme they focused on how budget conscious the client was, and they were arguing over the figure the Aluminium roof would cost extra - 2k, 4k, 3k and 3.5k were all mentioned. Then at the end the client would not reveal how much over budget the whole thing went, or the final figure. They spent 60 or 70 k ( grant aided?) on the lime plastering on the outside before Dermot arrived, and told him they had a budget of 200k for the rest. Then during the programme I think 390k was mentioned, before grants. And the build went over that. So they spent probably half a million and still had not enough left over to put up blinds or curtains or build a built in wardrobe? And Dermot - who afaik is not exceptionally tall, prob. just average male @ 5ft 10 or whatever, it is not as if he is 6'6 - - still had to bend his neck to get through the doorways in the "old" part of the house?


    Considering they got so much grants ( every extra bit of a grant they came across went on a bigger and bigger extension ) - surely they could or should have future-proofed the house by making sure people could walk through it without banging their heads ffs? People now are considerably taller than 200 years ago.

    Post edited by Francis McM on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Yea, I think Dermot is paid for by the show but the QS is extra. This show was originally 30 minutes with an ad break; its a full hour now which is nuts considering how much detail (that viewers are interested in) is omitted. Should be part of the deal (i.e. when candidates are accepted to go on the show) that they disclose the costs; glossing over it with dumb statements like 'costs haven't been fully settled yet' just annoys viewers; they must have a fairly good idea given they have to pay for everything..

    The walk in wardrobe was a joke, was that her entire collection of clothes.. Looks like he wasn't using the same space for his attire.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    There's not a hope a builder and workers traveling from Donegal could do it cheaper than a local builder. The cost of diesel or accommodation alone would be sky high.

    Definitely something fishy about that, it's not a transparent show at all.

    Everything on it should be taken with a large lump of salt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I always assumed that the QS was part of the show to keep Dermot in reality.

    I would have assumed if the client was paying for their own QS there would be a different one each week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Thought it was a condition of the show that the architects fees are paid by the tv company ( which could be €40,000 or 50,000 on most programmes otherwise, say 10%?) but the client pays the Q.S. fees ( a couple of grand at most )? For continuity and good tv and to even up the gender balance etc Dermot always uses his regular Q.S. But on the programme last night I think he said the client could not afford the Q.S but he was getting her down for the day, as a favour to him, or words to that effect?

    Wonder if the QS fees came out of the barter account lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Zardoz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Anyone know where the house in Ranelagh was (what street / road) - the one he brought them to visit to see ‘simplicity’ !



  • Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭RurtBeynolds


    Didn't like that house in Ranelagh at all. A glorified hallway with added courtyard. I can only imagine how much that cost them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,483 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    That derelict housing grant was surely intended more for towns and cities than big properties out in the countryside?

    Maybe not. Seems a bit off to me anyway.

    Also can't understand how the help to buy applies as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Didn’t like it at all either; thought it was a totally irrelevant comparison too; poky courtyard that Dermot was going on about (he seems to love courtyards!!). The time devoted to this would be better spent highlighting the heating system and bathroom costs etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Rather rusty and unkempt ones, too. They've built a lovely house, unfortunately it backs onto a favela.



  • Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Niall_76


    They said they were too far outside town for the derelict grant but were hoping the net would be widened to include them in the budget. Then the news clip they played mentioned an increase in the amount of the grant but didn’t say anything about distance from town but they were suddenly ok.

    I assume the bit where he suggested that the criteria might be changed was filmed after the budget rather than before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It could be that the show was badly edited - that whoever was doing it wasn't familiar with building projects and didn't understand the important bits to include and what to leave out. The whole thing seemed off in terms of progress of the build and what they gave attention to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,483 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Any idea how the help to buy applied? Thought they inherited this property and land. What exactly were they buying as first time buyers?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Bob_Average



    The pice where Dermot is in his car driving to the meeting with the kitchen people, and talking about what might happen at that meeting, was filmed later, and with the benefit of hindsight.

    In the timeline of the show, this happens well before Storm Ciaran, but as Dermot drive along what looks like Highfield Road we clearly see an S4 bus coming in the other direction. The S4 is a new route only launched on the 29th of November.

    It's one of those things only a transport geek would spot :-)

    Bob



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,628 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    The whole series has gone to the dogs the last few years.

    It's all dramatics, cliched (and clearly staged) rows between Dermot and the clients for dramatic effect, crap editing, no useful or interesting coverage of the design or build at all. It's basically a formulaic soap opera at this stage - except you'd get more variety in a soap opera.

    And while Grand Designs obviously made their punters reveal budget details at the end, RtI seems to have dispensed with that lately so you don't even have that bit to look forward to.

    I tuned in this week for the first time in years, and won't be wasting my time again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    thats no excuse. what kind of idiot is in charge if they do a programe about renovating you house and they put a team in place to produce that show who know nothing about the main point of the show.

    [rodgrees a bit off. come on. they went from a guy brushing standing water off the subfloor because the roof covering wasnt even ordered yet to standing in a finished house having a chat. it bloggles my mind that someone editing the show would do that. i dont know why they even include that other house they visited . it added nothing to the show. they wernt looking at something they were thinking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Westernview


    There was always an element of staged rows and manufactured crisis situations to it but I found I could accept that when the project was shown to be evolving naturally. Now it's just jarring the way its edited and you are left with a lot of confusion and some unanswered questions at the end. Unsatisfactory.

    I'm not making excuses I'm just saying that what it feels like whats happening. I may be wrong about that but it did feel like the editing person needed direction from someone who knew what to present.

    I don't agree that going to the other house added nothing. He brought them to show how clever design with cheaper materials can lead to a good result. He was trying to convince them that if they had one quality surface (in this case the flooring) then cheaper materials would work alongside it (in this case the kitchen which is what they were worried about). I believe he achieved that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The more and more grants they got the bigger and bigger the extension got, as they admitted themselves. I'm not sure it is a good use of taxpayers funds to give 70,000 to someone to extend a fancy Dermot Bannon glass box at the side of an old house?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The echo in the kitchen / dining was noticeable all right. And were there any blinds? Do not think so. at night time it would be like being a goldfish in a bowl, and looking out you just see your reflection in the glass?

    Looked nice in day time on a calm dry day all right. Wonder what the BER was with all that glass? I know it was probably triple glazed but still surely not as cosy as a well insulated wall 40 cm thick or whatever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,483 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Won't lie. That's exactly what I said to the Mrs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Lovely couple and a lovely house in the end, they are some big old grants! No final figure on cost zzz



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    It didn't apply. Bannon scribbled it onto an A4 page in biro and thinks he knows what he's talking about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭Tow


    The whole build was over 240 sqm, for a budget of 200k! There were no technical details. The section on the roof materials made no sense. They appeared to want Zinc standing seam. Could not afford Aluminium standing seam. Went to a place which sold a Steel profile, which looked like standing seam. No information was given about this product or the place they visited, except it required extra ventilation. In the end they got the Aluminium roof.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,483 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Was that not on top of a nice grant for lime render or some such

    Plus all the retrofit grants

    This government is obsessed at streaming tax revenue right into landowners hands. What clearly should be an urban policy is now full square aimed at FGs core voting pool.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Someone mentioned it could do with another show like what they did for Big Brother or Love Island to provide the detail. That wouldn’t help answer any of the questions like how the builder from Buncrana ended up with the job (or would even have been interested in quoting for such a job) or the grants (how they qualified for some of them) or the QS from doing a favour to re-appearing later own in the show. I think we’d need another tribunal for that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    is the builder from buncrana or is he based there. i saw that his van had a donegal reg

    its about 4.5 hours from buncrana to urlingford. i went up near dundaulk to colect something over the chrismass and it cost me with an empty van 60 euro in deisil and 21.60 in tolls and that was 2.5 each way. no way its viable to do that to even oversee the job let alone do it.

    something isnt adding up here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,619 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There's loads of NI reg Skodas and vans parked outside most building sites in Dublin, with lads going up and down each day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    what relivence is that.

    this building site is 1 hour 20 min from dublin .



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The builder is registered in Buncrana, the same small town at the top of Donegal the quantity surveyor is based in.

    And according to the supplier list, the skimming plasters were from Buncrana as well. The firm that supplier the doors and floors was from Buncrana. The electrical contractor was from Buncrana. Did the whole village of Buncrana make the 9 hour round trip to build the house in Urlingford each day?

    So you are right, something not adding up here.


    Another interesting thing from the supplier list is that the client Grainne went for a Granite kitchen worktop....as well as the expensive wooden floor...even after Dermot brought her especially to the house in Dublin to show her she did not need expensive finishes everywhere.


    In the beginning of the programme, the clients were very budget conscious, did not know if they could afford the extension or not etc. Their budget was 200k. Then they got grant after grant and ended up spending close to half a million, inc the lime rendering at the beginning? And at the end when asked how much it cost, did not even know / could not care less? If she cared she would know?

    And another thing: the husband early in the project was chipping away at the plaster with a kango type drill on the inside walls in the old house early in the programme, and shovelling it out in wheelbarrows etc. A dusty, hard labour job not everyone would be up for, in fairness. So I assumed if the client were on a 200k budget they may be painting the inside of the house at the end themselves? But no, a painter is listed, at least he was from Tipp. so had not far to travel.

    Dermots glass box extension.

    And the question remains: who paid the Q.S. fee when the clients said they could not and CoCo TV (who make the programme) said they do not?? Dermot got her down for one day as a favour to him but she remained later in the programme?

    We have had Tuberty-gate, lets not have another inquiry in to shady dealings etc. It does make for great tv though : not so see the designs ( watch Grand Design for that ) but to see the crack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,000 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think maybe it was meant to fit in with the rest of the sheds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Ah now if that fine Stone farmhouse was there in that family(untouched as Dermot said) for 200 years then there was old money there, you're goin back to the 1820's when the majority on this island were in simple mud or stone structures in the countryside unless they were gentry or squireens... No flies on that couple only dead wans, lovely couple though they were, I'd guarantee you, the poormouth worrying about the budget was for the gallery imo



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    As someone else said, if they were living in his parents bungalow for the past 10 years and she had a job as a teacher as stated, and he was a farmer, they should have been able to save at least 2k a month (if not more) , which would be minimum 240,000 after 10 years? Fair dues to them, I could not care where they got their money from. What is of interest to the viewer though, is the grants, as some viewers around the country are either renovating or considering upgrading insulation etc, or considering buying an old house to do up.

    The grants criteria seem to be not very transparent, what exactly did they get? I know of an old cottage (in an urban area, so no planning issues, and they got planning, and the old bit of wall was incorporated in to the new house on the plans) which was knocked except for a bit of one wall, and a fancy new Dermot Bannon Style house (although Dermot is not the architect and has no connection) is being built where the old cottage is : are they getting every grant under the sun too? Would'nt surprise me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    Dermot on today fm this morning was asked if the couple got all the grants they looked for and he said no they were not entitled to the vacant grant and he just forgot to mention it during the program 🙄 that’s the only one he mentioned but reading between the lines they didn’t get others looked for .. this is unfair and playing with the truth and giving people the impression they got all the grants .. for transparency they should be made to disclose what grants they did receive .. adding money to the budget because of grants they haven’t a hope of getting..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭Tow


    The whole production was a bit slap hazard. They filmed a bit at the start, filmed a bit at the end and stuck in a section looking at kitchens which was filmed only in the last month or so. Probably found they did not have enough usable footage to produce the program.

    The 200k for a 240sqm renovation and build was pie in the sky and we never got any more details. It strikes me as 'The Poor Farmer', who claims they don't have two rub pennies to rub together.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?





  • You misheard I think. It was the First Home Scheme they weren't entitled to, and he said they weren't able to edit it out. They got the others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/dermot-bannon-received-private-briefing-with-department-of-housing-about-government-grant/a2091472117.html

    I know it’s behind a paywall but it seems Dermot wanted clarification on who would exactly qualify for this grant and the criteria for applying. At least he did look for the info and not assume people would be able to get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    To be honest thinking about it, I'd expect architects to be up to date with current legislation and grants etc.

    The equivalent in my field would fall into your CPD requirements. I'm sure lots of professions are the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Exactly, listened to the piece on Today FM and DB was saying that they didn’t know which grants the couple would qualify for so they just applied for everything…

    we did a big job on our house a few years ago and the architect knew exactly what was available; by the end of the job I too knew the grant system too



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭hole in my lovelywall


    They either shouldn’t bring up the topic of of payment/grants at all (it’s none of our business how participants pay) or, if they do, they should be clear on what’s going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,619 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So was it a case of them not being able to afford to have a QS on the project, or was that they didn't want a QS reporting all the numbers on camera?

    Post edited by AndrewJRenko on


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