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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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    #29012
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593124#Comment_121593124

    Why would they? They don't even have one now.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #29013
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593150#Comment_121593150

    I can't see Trump beating Biden. Biden isn't great but even he is a step up on Trump. Economy isn't perfect but good enough. Trump surely lost voters after January 6th and who voted against him last time will vote for him this time?

    Haley brings a whole new ball game, and could really put it up to Biden. Recent polls show a fair number of Americans want a change from old men running the country. Eg.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4202646-61-percent-support-age-cap-for-presidential-candidates-survey/



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    #29014
    Leroy42
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    The contrary to that is that many MAGAs will never vote for Haley, or indeed anyone but Trump.

    So while it may seem that Haley presents different problems, it also provides serious issues for the GOP



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    #29015
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593234#Comment_121593234

    She's polling 32% of Republicans, and you'd assume it would be higher or on a par with Trump if you remove the others. Throw in swing voters and some MAGAs and she's in with a chance. Even some democrat voters could be persuaded.



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    #29016
    amandstu
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121592809#Comment_121592809

    This King might be a good role model for Trump

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_King



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    #29017
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593234#Comment_121593234

    They'd vote for Haley if Trump endorsed her. More so if Haley signalled that she was willing to be a proxy president.



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    #29018
    Leroy42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593250#Comment_121593250

    Yes, I am aware of that, but there are millions of MAGA cult Trumpers who believe Trump is the only one to ever vote for. It is because of this that the GOP has always failed to get a handle on Trump.

    Haley will not swing those voters, they are likely to blame her for kicking Trump off the ballot. They won't vote for Biden, but then they were never going to. The risk is that they won't vote at all, and thus take millions of votes away from the GOP.



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    #29019
    MICKEYG
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593306#Comment_121593306

    Proxy president?

    So she would have the title and he would do all the work behind the scenes?

    He is only in it for the title/prestige and has no interest in the work so can't see that happening.



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    #29020
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593517#Comment_121593517

    If Trump's chances at being President slipped away, either through the 14th Amendment or the other legal cases he's facing, he could back Haley & swing the MAGA vote towards her if she agreed to make sure he's protected and then furthers his interests.

    He's in it for the title and prestige, but he also needs the protection of the office of President at this stage. If he can't be President, he'll need the GOP candidate to protect him if they get elected, otherwise he's toast.



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    #29021
    Frank Bullitt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593306#Comment_121593306

    Trump won’t endorse a soul.



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    #29022
    LambshankRedemption
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593318#Comment_121593318

    Plus there are many MAGAs who are misogynistic and would never vote for a woman.



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    #29023
    mariaalice
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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug

    It is a bit long and strangely doesn't exactly explain what they are going to do when they fire all the bureaucrats and get rid of the cultural institution of modern society, get rid of the courts.

    Completely bonkers.

    I am not sure if Trump is still their man anymore though.



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    #29024
    Paloma Whispering Senselessness
    Posts: 0 ✭ Paloma Whispering Senselessness


    I have a good friend (Irish) married to an American in US. She and I have opposing views in Trump so we have learned to avoid discussing. She and family there have a simplistic black & white view on Trump. She is a devout Catholic, that’s fair enough. She emigrated to US a good time ago after being in an abusive relationship in Ireland, met her very good hard working very respectful husband there, she is grateful for her life there, and her community.

    As far as she is concerned, Trump allows for her very strongly held Christian beliefs, indeed upholds them. It’s as simple as that. I respect her, I don’t want to get into arguments. If she mentions Trump, which she doesn’t do often these days, I focus on his Scottish heritage in the Isle of Lewis as the only concordance of thought that this might engender.



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    #29025
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593517#Comment_121593517

    Donald Trump didn't even do any real work when he was president, never mind if Haley was. He'd just phone her up and tell her what to do with the implied threat being that he'd sic his base on her and the party if she disobeyed.

    There's a term limit on being US president, but there's no term limit on being the puppet master of the Republican party.



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    #29026
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593567#Comment_121593567

    That is an image I never thought would be in my head.



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    #29027
    amandstu
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593211#Comment_121593211

    "Biden isn't great but even he is a step up on Trump "

    I think Biden is, actually really great and quite admirable but his age,cruelly goes against him.

    Some people come across better as they age but not him.

    He now lacks the natural physical force and vigour of youth(no harm that but not really an electoral asset imo)


    We owe him a great debt as it is and I trust that he will step aside if he thinks it necessary. (He doesn't think it is apparently and I have some confidence in his judgement)



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    #29028
    tobefrank321
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593318#Comment_121593318

    Trump supporters are a minority within a minority in the national picture.

    Either way its doubtful the Republicans can win the next election if Haley is boycotted and victory handed to Biden.

    Trump has not been good for the GOP. 2016 aside he hasn't brought them much of an electoral boost. I can't see him winning in the only poll that matters. If he's not in jail in 2028 he might have a better chance.



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    #29029
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121594189#Comment_121594189

    I think Biden is a decent man, but he also represents the status quo and allowing the neo-conservative vision of America to continue and that's part of what fed Trumpism in the first place. He's too old and ensconced in the normal way of doing things to really defeat Trumpism, but he could make a recognition that America needs a new kind of politics in order to truly defeat Trumpism rather than just have it baying at the gates. If he could help set the stage for that, I think it would be a great legacy. If not, I think he's just helping to hold off the inevitable.



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    #29030
    PropJoe10
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121593318#Comment_121593318

    There's going to be GOP voters going to the polls for years to come and just writing Trump's name on the ballot, even when he's long dead and gone. That's going to be an issue for the GOP for a long long time.



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    #29031
    Quin_Dub
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    His "absolute immunity" argument was about as well received as you might have expected by the Appeals court yesterday.

    One of his own Lawyers basically nuked the defence themselves when asked an obvious question about the reality of what they are saying.

    The Judge asked - Could a President order Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political opponent? An Order to Seal team 6 would be an "official act" ??

    The lawyer replied , "Well yes , but only after they were impeached by the Senate"

    So the Judge says , so you are saying that absolute immunity doesn't exist , and the only discussion is whether or not a President needs to be impeached first?

    Also - Trumps Lawyers argued during his second impeachment that he shouldn't be impeached because because he was being criminally charged!!!!

    Trump then walked out of court and told reporters that there will be trouble if he doesn't get immunity - Because nothing gets a Judge on your side more than threatening Violence...



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    #29032
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595393#Comment_121595393

    It really is an incredible argument. Even outside of the example of assassination which is obviously an extreme hypothetical, they would still be arguing that an out-going President in his last day or so in office could sell national secrets and classified info to other countries, and because there wouldn't be enough time to impeach them they would have full immunity.

    Hell, what would stop a President from deploying the National Guard to block the House & Senate from being able to sit in order to even discuss impeachment? By Trump's lawyer's arguments, the President would have full immunity for anything they then did even after their term.



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    #29033
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595426#Comment_121595426

    It's utter nonsense of course and the fact that the Judges went there immediately suggests that they are going to rule pretty quickly against him.

    The argument suggests that as long as a President can either keep 34 Senators in line (to block conviction) or simply block impeachment hearings from occurring as you suggest, they have complete immunity from prosecution .

    If they found in Trumps favour , Biden could have Trump lifted off the streets and renditioned to some overseas black-site and held incognito indefinitely as a "threat to National security" under existing legislation and there's nothing that Trump could do about it

    The whole thing is just so utterly stupid and is clearly designed to delay proceedings just like all his other spurious appeals and legal pleadings.

    Is there a criminal version of the ani SLAPP laws that they could apply to stop him doing this endlessly?

    However it is a smart move by Smith and the DOJ to get this resolved now - Normally these "appeals" are heard AFTER the case is prosecuted but that would allow Trump to delay a conviction well beyond next November.

    This way , they clear the runway for the court case and remove virtually every possible appeal pathway that Trump might have considered in advance.



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    #29034
    Water John
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595547#Comment_121595547

    Guantanamo is still available.



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    #29035
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595393#Comment_121595393

    A further tease of that hypothetical could be.. what if Seal 6 killed all members of the Senate, thus preventing the president from being convicted.

    It is bonkers stuff.



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    #29036
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595612#Comment_121595612

    The hypotheticals get very silly very quickly if you accept the Trump argument.

    A President could simply buy off the requisite number of Senators by giving them millions in Government money to ensure their loyalty. They could arrest them and/or their families for similar purposes.

    The stupidity of this is endless.



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    #29037
    Raysin
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    I was thinking the best case scenario would be Trump choking on a burger in full view of his Mar A Loser sycophants, but even if he died on the spot and autopsied on the spot, they'll still claim he was assassinated. Then they'll claim he never died at all and is fighting the deep state from a cave in Dakota, and then they'll claim he was reincarnated in the body of Billy-Bob Opportunist, who says all the same things and hates the same people. Republican politicians will make no comments dispelling anything, so they hang on to power, and so it will perpetuate infinitely.

    We have precedence in the whole JFK jr nonsense, and there is literally nothing these people won't believe. Nothing. There is decades of nonsense yet to play out, no matter what happens. When it's finally over, the US will be even more of a mess than it is now and certainly won't recover, in my lifetime anyway.

    I wonder if Republicans ever look back at what they unleashed on themselves and the rest of the world when they looked at a malignant narc and said "Yes, this guy looks like a solid bet!". They backed him and still do, and will reap their just rewards for it.

    If there wasn't the potential to destabilise the entire planet, it'd be fun to watch.



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    #29038
    tobefrank321
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    At what point are you barred from running for president in the US? If you are convicted in a criminal case, even if you don't serve time?



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    #29039
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595948#Comment_121595948

    Criminal conviction doesn't bar you from running for or winning the Presidential Election.

    The only thing to legally block you from running for President is the application of the 14th amendment.

    Trump could run for Office from Prison and even take office whilst still in Prison.

    It's happened twice before where candidates ran for President while in Prison

    Eugene Debs in 1920 and Lyndon LaRouche in 1992.

    Debs was a Socialist Union organiser jailed for his "activities" and LaRouche was a far right Conspiracy loon who was jailed for mail-fraud.



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    #29040
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595988#Comment_121595988

    In addition to the obvious preventions, which as not being of age, not being born in the US, and having served two terms, or being involved in an insurrection



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    #29041
    ArmaniJeanss
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595988#Comment_121595988

    Fairly sure that more recently Joe Exotic (The Tiger King chap) has also campaigned for presidency from his jail cell. Obviously went nowhere quickly.



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