Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Sorry but this is real pie in the sky stuff — and it's important to say this because this thread often appears to have the popular view that the refugee crisis is nothing more than the product of government stupidity and it could all be easily fixed by simple things. If this is what we are talking about — the idea that somewhere like Kosovo should be the holding pen for refugees entering Europe — the logistics of this just don't work.

You only have to consider the question of why Ireland itself would not want to be a country acting as the holding pen for all refugees entering Europe — i.e. because it would be a nightmare to handle — to comprehend why no other country would.

Answered already. Thanks.

whats he got to say for himself this time?

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I already told you: it's immaterial if the Albanians presenting here claiming aslyum are from Albania proper or from Kosovo. It actually doesn't matter because IF we can setup a refugee camp inside Kosovo, that by itself, would act as a demotivator to people from there, desiring to coming here to claim asylum (only to be sent right back to Kosovo to be stuck in a tent city).

And i already answered your 2nd question. Pro Refugee posters such as yourself, have claimed that these people are an economic boon to the countries they arrive at. If you believe that to be the case, then why WOULDNT the likes of poor Kosovo seek to benefit from as many refugees as possible.

So basically what you should do now, is prove that Kosovo doesn't want refugees, because they are a net drag on their economy.

Well from a purely monetary point of view a Dutch study carried out in 2021 determined that most are except some European and Asian countries . I don't think everything should be judged on monetary terms though but that's been the popular way to refer to Ireland - as an "economy" in recent years. Particularly by the political and media cohort. Other things are less tangible and im sure includes some postive aspects but I think we can agree there are impacts on social cohesion, impacts on services etc. especially with the chronic lack of planning in Ireland.

"It is particularly interesting that the study by the University of Amsterdam also examined the differences by migration motive and country of origin. The study shows that almost all forms of immigration have a cost for Dutch society, with the exception of migrant workers from neighboring countries such as Belgium, Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland and Scandinavia, the Anglo-Saxon countries and Asian countries such as Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. Only this relatively small group of immigrants makes a positive contribution to the receiving country.

The effects of all other immigrant groups are negative. The same applies to Eastern European labor migrants, which cost an average of 50,000 euros net (in 2016 prices) per immigrant, because they tend to work in low-paying jobs and therefore pay less tax and social security contributions than the average Dutch citizen, while their costs for education, Social security and tax payments are higher.

However, immigration from non-Western countries causes the highest costs. According to the University of Amsterdam study, the net lifetime cost of a non-Western migrant is 300,000 euros per person. In the case of asylum migrants, the number is even more than twice as high. The average asylum seeker from the Middle East or North Africa costs the Netherlands 625,000 euros per immigrant."

He and his ideology, party and Roddy are all on borrowed time.

Posters such as yourself = pro refugee posters.

I didn't say that you specifically said it and i'm not going to waste my time searching your posts.

You know, people posting here with a point of view aligned with your own: that support government policy of no restrictions on Asylum Seekers.

I'm not Pro Refugee, no-one is Pro Refugee, that's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty sure government policy is to accept asylum seekers as per our international obligations and domestic law. I merely believe in the law.

So you believe that Kosovo want refugees, or that they don't want them?

Which is it?

Kosovo have their own. No reason to think they want to take any from other countries.

Unless you have some proof that they do, we will leave this here.

Not true.

NATO bases don't mean that Kosovo don't look after their own affairs. They do. Why you would think NATO would want to put EU asylum seekers in Kosovo is another mad idea with no base in reality

That is just plain naive.

Anyway, i've decided to put you on ignore.

Could you please link to this study?

Similar studies have been conducted in the UK with similar findings but the pure monetary lens is not the whole story by a long shot. When we talk about migrants working in low paid jobs, paying less tax etc — this stems from the fact that they are often plugging labour shortages. Ireland is perhaps one of the best examples of an economy that has quickly moved from a rural, agricultural, lower skilled economy to one characterised by high levels of education leading people into highly skilled jobs in the STEM, healthcare and professional services spheres. When you have a population "moving up" on the skill ladder, the rungs "below" need filling. This is the point — many immigrants will invariably move into lower skilled roles because that is where the shortage is in an economy where most young people are qualified for higher skilled roles.

Another good example here is Brexit Britain, whereby their separation from the EU was supposed to reduce immigration. What has actually happened? Labour shortages caused by the downturn in EU migration have led to a huge increase in non-EU migration. The majority (53%) of people turned away now at the UK border are EU citizens and since 2021 only 5% of all visas were granted to EU citizens (which is a fairly wild statistic). In contrast, the UK has gone from an intake of 293,000 non-EU migrants for the year ended 2021 to almost 1 million for year ended 2022 — which is almost double the peak figure for EU migration as of March 2016. So they have actually ended up increasing their pre-Brexit immigration intake.

What that represents is a tale of what happens when the aspirational guff spouted by many on the right about their so-called common sense policies hits the cold, hard concrete reality of the modern world.