Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

You realise that we are in a massive free labour market of 440 million people right? So why don't we just tap into that pool for low paid unskilled labour, before opening the doors to all and sundry from the 3rd world.

Here you go: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356802433_Book_Review_iBorderless_Welfare_State_The_Consequences_of_Immigration_on_Public_Finances_Grenzeloze_verzorgingsstaat_De_gevolgen_van_immigratie_voor_de_overheidsfinancieni

Or the full text in Dutch if you want to run it through Google translate:  https://upload.gscdn.nl/uploads/09cf2e23d8_Grenzeloze_Verzorgingsstaat.pdf

I think it suits people to use the economy at times whenever it fits their argument but I agree not everything should be judged through pure monetary terms. A country should never be reduced to GDP or debt etc. It's people, it's culture, it's ameneties, quality of life etc.

But, WOW - €625,000 cost per Middle Eastern or North African asylum seeker is absolutely crazy!!! The government has stated that we are not going to put any limits on the number we will accept. Sounds economically unsustainable to me.

And plenty of them do. And nobody has an issue with it. As they have to find their own accomodation and pay their own way.

I don't know how many times it has to be stated, but not putting a stated limit on something does not make it unlimited. This theme is always getting rolled out on this thread and it's literally one of the biggest red herrings. It's a blood-boilingly simplistic interpretation that is used to push this stupid narrative that Ireland has an entirely open borders open doors policy.

Putting a stated limit on the number would be an exceptionally f**king stupid thing to do and would achieve nothing for anyone — from the blue-haired activist ends of the left to the Twitter research professors of the right.

Why? Because then you are giving yourself a rod to be beaten with by pretty much all sides — right, left and from our international allies. What if you haven't hit your stated limit and other countries also facing pressure or other organisations say "well Ireland claimed it would take x thousand more". Then you are in a position of having to explain. On the converse, what if the stated limit is unreasonably small and pressure is exerted to up it? If you explain in detail your formula and criteria for what constitutes the stated limit, then people can use that to argue you should push the number up or down.

Putting a stated limit on migration effectively kills your ability to act pragmatically and to design policy with strategy. It's dumb and it ends up being a football for pretty much everyone and achieves absolutely feckin nothing.

This is exactly the point. We don't NEED all this cheap labour, despite Leo etc insisting that we do. He should be challenged every time he states this.

Most people think we are past the point of when limits should have started being applied (with regards to asylum specifically). Considering there is absolutely nowhere to accommodate people I would tend to agree. But if people are genuinely fleeing war and persecution, I think there will have to be some some sort of tent city in a safer place and they wait in line until a place becomes available. We cant magic accomodation into existence as much as we might wish to and Dublin City just cannot accommodate thousands of people in tents. The 15000 a year that Rodders said we should expect, where are they going to go? It's also extremely dangerous for them to be sleeping on the streets of Dublin with the anti-immigrant sentiment that's been building.

On the long term cost side of it all I don't believe the government have done any kind of analysis such as the Dutch study linked above which really highlights the extraordinary costs associated. Luckily our economy is doing well right now but we still have a huge amount of social unrest around this issue. God help us if there is any kind of economic shock down the tracks, Ireland will be a really unpleasant place to live.

But the one thing that really really boils my blood is the complete lack of will to weed out false asylum claims and effect deportations. This is adding to the capacity issues. If people really think that all asylum claimants are genuine well then I just have no words, there is no point even conversing on the topic with such people. They're either the most gullible people ever or just not being truthful for some reason. Those economic migrants are taking beds for people who genuinely need it. The fact that only 6-7% of asylum claims are rejected after appeal just reinforces the feeling that Ireland is a soft touch regardless of what people like Leo or Nick Henderson of the Irish Refugee Council like to spin.

On the issue of deportations I posted above that Ireland used to deport/remove thousands of people a year around a decade ago. This stopped. So it was possible at one time despite arguments I see repeated that we just can't do it. What changed?

Setting a limit should be the first step. Who are you worried about pandering to, some NGO's, main stream media, George Soros Open Society?

We don't have international allies, we have partners and competitors. I wouldn't worry one bit about their criticism. Infact, if we set a low number limit, others in the EU would quickly follow suit - because they understand we are now in a race to the bottom insofar as dissuading AS. The government here however, are slow learners.

It's either limited or it's not.

As things stand it's unlimited.

So we could be faced with hypothetically say 200000 single men arriving next year.

You can be sure they would get here if they thought there was quality accomodation available.

And that's the problem with this merry go round.

Keep finding them accomodation and they keep arriving.

We are ending up with hotels, houses, sports halls wedding venues etc. etc. being taken out of circulation.

Which means the ones that are still open to the public are gone very expensive.

This in turn kills the tourism industry which families have spent generations developing.

It also cuts off housing supply leading to hundreds of thousand of grown kids not moving out of home.

It really is a sick burgeoning 'industry', milking tax payers by taking advantage of their humanitarian nature.

“Hotels that usually are quiet in the winter / midweek getting 100% occupancy all year.”

…… and conveniently zero service staff wage bill. (Blatant profiteering)

I don't fully understand your point here to be honest. I mean, immigration is not a new thing that has emerged from modern capitalism and corporatism — it has been going on for millennia. People go where there is opportunity — whether it be economic gain, freedom or safety — and commercial operators will use (and yes, often exploit) these resources for competitive advantage. This has been the way long before the first Brazilian migrant to Ireland donned a Deliveroo bag.

Your post here seems to be a complaint as to the way the world is — but doesn't actually offer a view of the viable alternative world. Sure, it would be great if we lived in a world where nobody felt the need to go off anywhere and everyone hung around home and got paid fair wages and all countries kept their best and brightest or their less skilled within their own little corner and we all just made the best of that and companies couldn't exploit foreign labour.

The chances of this happening? Zero.

We shouldn't forget also that immigration isn't all about just serving the needs of the host countries and its businesses. It's also something which acts as a release valve for struggling economies that allows people to find opportunity elsewhere which actually relieves the burdens on that economy. That's not to ignore the downside of brain drain, but there is still an upside.

I mean — you can look at me and say "you fool" but what you're saying here is basically a complaint ... an aspirational view that doesn't actually offer a solution to how you change the way the world works.

Government U-Turn in Carlow. Family's now instead of single male opportunists.

Precedent has now been set.

Listening to it, it is evident that the asylum system in the country has pretty much collapsed.

This is a f***up on a major scale. But let's just go ahead and blame the communities that are having this f***up foisted upon them