The new recycling system

Also - do you seriously think peak shopping times are going to change nationwide? You talk about ridiculous, highly ironic.

"That sounds like a highly unlikely scenario. It's much more likely in that scenario that shopper will come back at a quieter time to do their shopping and returning at the same time"

I don't see the point of arguing over that word to be frank about it.

You are moving from a relatively frictionless system where the recycle bin owner has the opportunity to place 100 percent of all recycleable items into the recycle bin for X euros a month + Y per KG of recycled material generally to a situation where the housholder will now end up paying X + undefined amount per month + Y + Undefined per month + fee per plastic bottle X number of plastic bottle + fee per can X Number of plastic cans to do the same thing.

If they don't want to do that they are going to end up paying X euros a month + undefinded amount per month + Y + undefined amount per month per KG of recycled material, + requirement for additional storage space +journey to shop (whether that is tied up with a shopping trip or not isn't really relevant), + time to deposit.

Whatever you want to call it, its't not in any way a smart move for anyone involved bar potentially absolving the LAs and Departments of their responsibility to their citizens.

Boggles has no issue arguing semantics when its in relation to words I use. They become quite insulting over it too. He said the current system has been completely dismantled, I am sure you agree that it has been modified (for the worse in your opinion) but not completely dismantled?

I think it is a smart move but the proof will be in the pudding when we see the numbers in 6 years time when we are expected to hit the 90% rate (obviously, we will see the data before that and likely be able to draw a conclusion in 2-3 years).

Exactly

You asked for proof you got your proof, would you be more likely to believe the Sun or Waterford Whispers?

You did yeah.

There's no additional car journeys though, you will be bringing your recycling with you when you go to the shop

So again how can it be both?

If people have to come back, that is multiple journeys.

So how is that good for the environment or peoples pocket?

So the cans will end up in the wrong bin then and people will be out of pocket for the new levy. Unless of course they make that special journey off peak time in the hope nobody else will have. Seems like a brilliant idea.

It's nothing to do with the problem the RVM is saying its solving though.

Some posters have pointed out that because the stuff will be clean, and undamaged it may be a higher grade of recyclable material and that may help - but there is nothing along those lines discussed on the one page website.

It won't be clean or undamaged.

It gets squashed in the machine.

Yes and the point i'm making is the machine system will not help that in a meaningful way.

It doesn't really matter whether you use the word "dismantled", "modiefied" "Changed" "Amended" etc, the outcome will be the same. It's a massive regression of the system that was there in the first place for those that use it. Massive. To the point that you've really pi$$ed off people - wait for another month or two, when the system comes in and most of the population actually realise the implications.....

There's absolute no logic or science gone into this - in fact quiet the opposite. No other methods were tried despite cheaper, more beneficial options being available.

This new “recycling” scam can be summed up quite simply.those of us paying for bin collection at our houses are going to be screwed again by this government.no benefit for to keep the country clean and will probably lead to more backroads and boreens with illegal dumping

Well why are you arguing with me then? Argue with Boggles. He used the word. He refuses to row back on it.

You seem to accept dismantle means what I describe. All Boggles has to say is that dismantle is the wrong word. Is that really a lot to ask? For someone to say they used the wrong word? Instead he doubles down and is adamant the current system has been completely dismantled. It seems your beef is really with Boggles here.

Yes, in your case its going to be a significant increase in cost (relative to the price of the item your buying) or increased car journeys. In my case, its going to be a really mild inconvenience to spend a minute at the RVM outside my local Aldi when I go and do my weekly shop. I drink a whopping 6 cans of Active X a week on average. Maybe 12 if I am particularly wild. Plus whatever Guinness a drink which is often 0 but might be 20 if the Masters or something is on in golf. I'll be really mildly inconvenienced.

Well you keep on telling me you don't think the word is important.

I have not argued against any of your points. I don't think there will be a shitshow but theres no point in people endlessly discussing whether there will or wont be. It starts next month, we will find out. There will be teething problems. Then I believe it will sort itself out. Come the summer, it will be second nature.

What new point do you have to make?

You think you will be inconvenienced. I agree with you. If you want an argument about it, find someone who disagrees with that. I agree with what you're saying but I disagree with the impact it will have on most people. In my opinion, it will be mildly inconvenient. It will enable us to meet the EU directive of 90%.