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Las Vegas Raiders Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    There's a lot of traffic connecting Justin Fields with the Franchise......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    It really depends on what changes we are making to the offense. Not sold on him as a passer but he has a lot of skills running the ball and if they keep Davante Adams/Jakobi Myers then he will have high quality weapons. Chicago has been a black hole for QBs since forever so jury I think is still out on him. The big question is what would we have to give up to get him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    It likely is very doable. The Bears have the number 1 pick from Arizona and the 6 pick already so they likely will go with a QB with one of those picks given the high quality options at the position in the draft so they will be looking to off load Fields. Looks like the Raiders could get him with a couple of picks 1 third and 1 second round which would be worth it IMHO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    I don't think Fields is worth it really, better off trying to develop O'Connell and drafting another QB. Outside of a QB, the Raiders really need to strengthen the OLine, it's been a weakness for a few years now although showed a bit of improvement in the last few games. I see the Titans have requested an interview with Pierce as HC in Tennessee, seems to be a demand for him out there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    There was a segment on NFL.com about why Pierce might not appeal to other teams because the reporter talked about him being "Too Raiders" for other teams to look at. I'm not surprised the Titans are checking him out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Firstly while technically the Raiders are in the market for a new coach IMHO Pierce has done enough to earn a crack at been given the job officially. Beyond that while O'Connell showed some flashes and obviously he is young and this was his rookie season I do not see him having the skill set to become the franchise QB the Raiders need. No question there are other areas the team has needs in with the O line been one yes. But QB is by far IMHO the biggest need and IMHO Fields would be a good fit at the right price which is very doable given the Bears are very likely to go in a new direction at QB in the draft given they have the first and 6th picks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Yep, O'Connell is not a franchise QB but will improve and will be a very strong back-up at the very least and could start while the Raiders develop their draft choice, if the go that way. I don't see Fields as a franchise QB either, he doesn't see plays develop and misses too many throws. While Fields can move, he's actually too quick to set off on a run rather than let a play develop. If the Raiders don't trade up for a QB, they might be better off taking an OLine player at 13 and drafting a QB in the second round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    I can totally see where you coming from and its clearly not an obvious black and white. Just for me the far and away biggest need is a franchise QB and I really do believe that Fields can be that. Time will tell. I do hope though that Pierce is given the head coaches job soon as I feel he deserves the chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Yep, and I've no problem with taking a swing with Fields once we don't give up too much draft capital. That would allow us to strengthen both the OLine and DLine and add a bit of depth to the roster. AP has improved the players since taking over and should get the job now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    If the cost for getting Fields is 2nd or 3rd round picks then I wouldnt have a problem trading for him. And prefer to trade for him than sell the farm to trade up into the top 3. No College Graduate is a sure thing and the amount of hype this QB class is generating is unreal. Perhaps it will be a class that we will talk about in 20 years (class of 83, anyone???) but is the cost of trading up worth it? Look at Carolina and the mess they are in to get Bryce Young. Chicago is laughing all the way to the draft. I really would not like that to happen for us. We always draft poorly, especially on supposed "Home Run" picks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    I am with you there. A second and a third round pick seems like a good price for the Raiders to trade for Fields and that leaves the 13 pick to use on other areas of need such as the O line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Totally agree Pierce should be given the job now. He has earned it and deserves the shot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    Apparently X reporting tonight that most of the Raiders GM interviews have taken place. Announcement is expected soon, perhaps this week

    https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1746591246959956078



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Falcons are the latest team looking to interview Pierce and Raiders have concluded all the interviews for GM.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    So the Raiders interviewed Kris Richard last night. The second candidate of Colour not belonging to the Organisation. This means that the Raiders have now satisfied the Rooney rule. There is some buzz that the appointment of AP is imminent because they have no further requirements to satsify. It certainly seems that the Harbaugh to Las Vegas rumours are not gaining traction, in fact there is talk of him staying at Michigan. I'll be happy if Champ Kelly becomes GM and AP is installed as Head Coach. He might not be a "name" but he performed far better than JMcD. I dont think McDaniels will ever get a shot at a Head Coach job again. But he is now the past. Might even be an announcement today or this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    I agree - right now we need some stability and also a Coach the players want to play for. Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams are pretty vocal on keeping AP and it would be a change for the better if we can get them on side this offseason rather than causing more friction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    AP signed as HC - this is good news!



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Top work Mark Davis, let's go Raiders!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Good news indeed. He deserves the shot full time. Plus now maybe the likes of Crosby and Adams decide to stay. Now for me the number one focus is on getting the QB situation right after the disaster that was the trade for Garoppolo last off season. Get the QB right and this team has shown it can be a decent playoff level team.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    So the rumour mill is in full flow.....Wilson to LV on a Minimum Contract, Fields to LV for a number of picks....LV trading up....... God I love the Offseason!!🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Yeah I think I might put my head in the sand until after the draft - even the Zach Wilson to LV rumors are floating now he's looking to be traded. :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    Oh Dear Lord, no. And to those who are going mad for us to "sell the farm" to draft one of the top 3 QB's, the draft is not necessarily the best place to find your Franchise QB. That guy went no.2 overall. I'm really nervous about us making a huge swing in the draft and sending future No.1 draft picks in multiple seasons for 1 guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    This would be the year to try to draft up based on the QB talent available but I just don't think we are a team that is a QB away from competing and we don't have a lot of high value players we can afford to lose in trade (holding onto Crosby and Adams I think is key for any kind of success next year) We need reinforcements at TE , RB and O line as well - . If we can get solid play from O'Connell and get some quality on o-line - especially in the interior and Right Tackle I think we can make some progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    I agree - our roster has serious amounts of holes in it and we need draft capital to try and shore it up. I agree with you about the O-Line, funny I dont feel as concerned about RB, I think JJ will resign with us and if not, Zamir White has the potential to be a productive back for next season whilst we address other areas.

    I think due to the Jamarcus Russell fiasco a few years ago, I am invariably nervous about swinging for the Franchise QB of the next decade for us. The amount of surefire QB picks that went awry are too numerous to mention. Not just for us but a lot of teams in general. If I was honest, and Russell Wilson was available on a Veteran Minumum contract, I'd prefer that option over trading to get into the top 3 picks. Too many teams are needy at QB and the teams holding those picks know it. Atlanta, Minnesota, Tennessee, NY Giants and Denver are all ahead of us with the same needs. I dont want to see us get into a bidding war to land one of those top 3 picks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Yes you are right on RB - Zamir White did look good at the end of the season - even if Jacobs doesn't resign RBs can be found in the later rounds. I wouldn't be sold on Russ - I think its more likely no-one signs him when he is released and he will catch on with someone mid season when a starter goes down.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    So we've signed Alexander Mattison. Now that was a surprise. He couldnt handle the load at the Vikings as the lead back (or maybe the scheme didnt suit him) but as a change of pace back he was really productive. I'm happy with those 2 in the lineup. Then draft a RB and Abdullah will round out the RB room.

    As for QB, its a real head scratcher. I couldnt believe Fields went for a 5th or 6th round pick. I'm still not in favour of reaching in the draft, and I'm beginning to think that Telesco is going to wait until 13 and not look to move up. What that brings is anyone's guess. I even saw a tweet from a Raiders fan discussing the benefits of trading for Dak Prescott. Sky's the limit boys!!!! 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Please no not Dak - he would be a big upgrade no doubt but the contract would leave us cash strapped to improve anywhere else - I dont think he is the missing piece for this team - we have too many other gaps to fill.

    We are not in a good draft spot to get a QB and I agree I don't think Telesco will trade up for a QB. that will probably leave us reaching for a QB and that doesn't usually end well...



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    I don't see Telesco being able to move up to get the fourth best QB, there are too many needy teams ahead of us. The only real chance of moving up is if the Patriots decide not to take a QB and move down but there would be a stiff price to pay for that pick. I also don't think Telesco will reach for a QB at 13, none of the other QBs are first round material so I think the Raiders will go either for a Tackle or a CB at that pick and see if one of Penix or Nix drops down far enough in the second round. Strengthening the OL around either Minshew or O'Connell should be the priority this season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    There appears to be a view forming that the Raiders are looking at OL or CB at 13 and then potentially trading back into the 1st round to get Penix. More importantly it seems that most analysts are agreeing with you InsideEdge! Not seeing many analysts predicting a Raiders trade into the top 4 now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Overall I think the draft went well - areas of need were prioritized (O-Line and Secondary especially) - now its on to camp and hopefully these guys can contribute some this season. With Sean Payton getting a full offseason, shedding Russell Wilson and Harbaugh at San Diego the AFC west will be a lot stronger next year. Going to need to bring it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    Hi Kev, you beat me to it, was going to post up something as we had all been very quiet over the off season. I was really pleased that the draft panned out the way it did. For once, we didnt overreach (and I'm sure Penix and Nix will be fine QBs but the hype behind the position this year was unreal) and we drafted Best player available. Couple of thoughts:

    1. Agreed about the areas of need. The O-Line looks stronger now and the Secondary too.
    2. I'm not that worried about QB, AOC and Minshew may not be elite but the position wont be wanting for effort. And AOC with a decent O-Line and a full off-season program will be a better QB than last year
    3. After Garropalo and Renfrow are officially released the Raiders will have good cap space. We arent done yet with Free Agency. And there are still some elite Secondary players who can come in and make a difference. Xavien Howard and Justin Simmons, I'm looking at you.
    4. We are looking better but so are our Division rivals. The Bolts and Chiefs specifically. I still think the Broncos have some catching up to do, even to catch us.
    5. No-one has a losing record in May!!! 🤣
    6. On a side issue, what were Atlanta thinking???? Signing Counsins to a massive contract and then taking a QB first round. Quite apart from the other needs that werent addressed, how do you think Cousins feels now???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Kirk cousins is getting $90 million guaranteed next 4 years - I honestly don't think he cares!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    2024 Schedule released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    after seeing the first 2 preseason games I am leaning towards Gardner Minshew as the starter but I don’t have a good feeling either QB is going to have a high ceiling this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Minshew is the starter but this could go horribly wrong, the amount of open receivers both QBs have missed in these games is worrying. Wonder how long Adams would hang around if he is getting no production out of Minshew or O'Connell.

    Also worrying is the lack of a run defense and the lack of depth at cornerback. Lot of work for the Raiders to do in the next few weeks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    yep the first half of the cowboys game we played a lot of starters and the big worry was inability to finish drives and we allowed Trey Lance move the ball easily. Antonio Pierce will need to hit the ground running in the opener against the chargers or it could go south quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Well our defense held up really well in the 1st half - but offense looks like it will need a lot of work to produce - especially the running game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    and sadly it looks like it will be heading south real quickly if yesterday is anything to go by and Baltimore up next to likely make it 0-2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    My biggest concern after watching the game on Sunday was how little impact Zamir White had - our Running game didn't give us any base to ease the pass rush from Bosa and Mack. Its a combination of the O Line not getting the push as well but we need address that or else we will have a real hard time winning any divisional games



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Can't disagree with that at all. I think the Raiders are really going to struggle badly this year. The only battle I see the Raiders maybe winning is beating and finishing ahead of the Broncos. At the end of the day its a QB driven league and the Raiders simply are not at the races in that regard. Minshew and O'Connell are both good backup QB's but no way good enough to start and take a team to the playoffs and be a threat to get to a superbowl. Until the Raiders address properly the QB situation the team is going nowhere IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    True but I dont see the QB situation improving this year - no-one really out there we could realistically trade for that is better then what we have without giving up some serious quality, maybe that's what we will have to do anyway as I don't know if the draft next year will be strong in the QB field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Unfortunately I can't disagree with you there. There does not seem to be any other directions to go QB wise that would be a good idea at the moment. While as you rightly say draft wise at this point the next class of QB's seems to be a real step down from last seasons. All in all it looks like this could be a really rough season viewing wise. I expect the Raiders to be not only 0-2 by next weekend but probably after taking a real beating from the Ravens as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Just on nexts years QB class. Carson Beck and Shedeur Sanders are more certain to make it than any QB that came out this year. The only one I was not totally confident wouldn't make it was Caleb Williams. He could still make it but he did what I expect will happen a lot which was overthrow and off target a lot when pressured.

    The only one I like will be sitting on a bench behind Kirk Cousins, that's Penix. He has question marks over his injury history but he's been healthy the last two years. He has all the tools and the football IQ.

    You'd never know, if it's looking like you'll have a top three pick in the draft Blank might trade Penix for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    That was a standout performance from the defense last night - really kept us in the game especially in the 3rd quarter when it looked like the ravens would pull away. Could have ended differently if Justin Tucker hadn't missed on 2 50+ FGs but credit the D for forcing the long range FGs.

    The Offense remains a work in progress - the o-line got over run early and didn't open any running lanes, but when you have Davante Adams there's always a chance. Brock Bowers looked great too. Gives us something to build on for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    That was quite the turnaround from last week, although some of the OLine deficiencies were still on show. Adams was superb and if Bowers keeps playing like this we have found a real gem. The defense was immense despite a few missed tackles, that move by Jones on Likely on the second-last play was probably the winning of the game. I think Miller is still catching up on his missed pre-season reps so I'm confident the OLine will start to improve, particularly if Jackson Powers-Johnson becomes fit enough to play. Big chance this weekend to put a lot of points on the Panthers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Well I am happy to have been so wrong on how this weekend would go. A remarkable late comeback that was for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    I didnt get to see the game (early evening gig to play) so was really pleasantly surprised to see the result. The next few opponents are not frightening (I'm not predicting anything at this point, we arent consistent enough to do that yet!!) Panthers, Browns, Broncos can all be beaten IF we play well. Its nice to dream!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    And I wouldn't be surprised to see us lose this weekend - Andy Dalton is 4 from 4 against us!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    🤣🤣 Well it would certainly be just our luck!!



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