Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

I honestly dont know how a newly recruited CO in the Civil Service in Dubin can survive on the starting salary. It is disgraceful. I think the government will have the lower paid CS over a barrel becuase I cant see an appetite amongst them for striking, considering how low their pay is already. People think of the here and now and if they are already struggling to put food on the table then they are not going to reduce their pay even further even if a couple of one day strikes will improve their pay conditions in the long term.

A work to rule is probably the best approach, but as others have said, certain job specs are so vague that you wont know what you should and shouldnt be doing.

I started in the CS 30 years ago so I am very lucky in the respect that I am pre 95. I have gone through the grades of CA/CO/EO/HEO. However it took time because when I was an EO I moved to Cavan under the great Decentralisation plan. My career stalled for 10 years and I had to go back to Dublin when I got HEO. Luckilly after 3 years I got back to Cavan.

I am at the stage now where I have had enough of the CS. I have been on the same increment scale for 3 years now. I regulary do 8 to 10 hours a week above what I should be doing and I get no time in lieu for it. The work load has increased so much in the last few years that I decided last year that I am leaving. I am taking early retirement and am actively seeking work in the private sector. I have already been put forward for interviews where the salary is 25% more then I am currently earning. Though I realise that not everybody has this opportunity. If we all decided to leave the CS and move to the private sector what would happen :)

8.5 over 2 yr. With the bulk of the increase coming in 2024. Hopefully.

Really? I thought they got them. I'm nearly sure I saw the sister in law's one a few years ago. Is it just a generic acceptance of a job that they sign?

Of course Civil Servants have contracts of employment. They are fairly general across the board and are not specific to your role but they are still contracts of employment.

An extra 1% for 6 months? That’s worse then 8.5 over 2.5 years!

There is very little demand for it. No point having more time off just to sit at home and dwell on what you'd love to be doing if you only had the money to do it. Theybneed to sort out the pay first, ans then focus on better terms and conditions.

SIPTU balloted members and that wasn’t in their top responses. It’s not in their mandate.

I think people forget these are the Public Pay Talks, not the Civil Service Pay Talks. Additional annual leave in my instance is meaningless. A 4 day working week is impractical. WFH? I have it whenever I want (with certain caveats everyone knows). The issues in my role are not for these pay talks, they’re a separate discussion.

Or even 10% over 3.5 years. Bigger number means better.

While that might appear to be the case, you fail to factor in the 6 months after the first 2.5 years at 0%, ie 2.83% per annum. There's no guarantees of anything continuing in the future. Surely getting the extra 1% locked in is a better deal?

I asked one of my smaller teams how'd they'd vote. 3 would accept the offer and 1 would reject it (they are holding out for 10%).

You are incorrect, the day of the strike saw tailbacks from Newry that werent there in previous days.

So what? It's at its worst in Dublin but it's not just a Dublin problem.

You seem to think that public sector workers should take the hit for inflation even while the government is protecting others from taking any hit from inflation.

You're damn right that the lowest paid are the worst hit by inflation! so do you think they should have their living standards cut, or not?

Yeah we know you've posted the exact same thing at least three times now.

Don't worry, you'll be told! but it'll be targeted to hit certain services for maximum political pressure, elsewhere there may be little or no effect at all.

One day strikes are pointless. Most staff will just end up doing the work the day before or after, but losing a day's pay.