Fourteen migrants discovered hidden in refrigerated container at Rosslare Europort

When they suggest we need to setup legal migration routes they're never pressed on how exactly this would work. Setup pickup points around the Med so migrants can make their way there and be shipped directly to their country of choice?

I don't see how this is a gotcha to @StrawbsM, this does not answer how they knew they were on an Irish ship heading to Roasslare. I think the word diverted gives the indication that they called 999 it went to the Uk and somehow was automatically diverted - no they called 999 as Strawsm says, the Uk had enough info then to know where they were going.

Maybe just the Ship name is what they provided, should have been enough - still not explained though.

Didn't a minister suggest a few years ago instead of sending a naval vessel to the med to assist in helping migrants cross the we instead buy a roll on roll off ferry for the navy so they can bring migrants straight here , now we can expect calls for aer Lingus to put on free flights for migrants without passports or any other documentation to fly directly here from EU States

But but but international obligations, international agreements, human rights ...

In other words the gravy train must continue so that all those sucking off the taxpayers teat can continue to do so.

It must continue so that all those vying for international well paid positions can progress.

It must continue so that the superior intellects can continue to feel superior.

That last line is a bit rich when all the lefty ones in favour of immigration (that is immigration of asylum seekers, chancers, refugees, international protection applicants) is castigate anyone against it and call them racists, backward xenophobes, etc.

The media, the political classes, state employees, NGOs all have engaged in labeling anyone that up to now wanted discussion and a real debate on control of these immigrants as far right ghouls or weak minded easily led enthralled with some far right ghouls.

I would safely say the time for discussion is past for most people.

And I would say they just want it stopped at this stage, they want people that came into the state without any legitimate right, those in particular who destroyed identification documents to be promptly fooked out of here.

You had your chance at collaboration, but you have pi**ed all over peoples good will.

Another 14 arrived to be added to the long list of those totally supported by Irish taxpayers, taxpayers that just decreasing services for themselves and their loved ones.

You can only get away with pi**ing down someones back and telling them it is raining for so long.

Eventually they kick back.

McEntee was on the radio again taking big how we are carrying out Deportations and hundreds others have left after Deportations order's issued,but offered no evidence as to when these people,but they just left

Another 14 arrived to be added to the long list of those totally supported by Irish taxpayers, taxpayers that just decreasing services for themselves and their loved ones.

The 14 that were discovered in a container have nothing whatsoever to do with any asylum process here and so far there’s no evidence that they have requested asylum here. They do have to be processed and the cost of that is borne by the State, not taxpayers, it has nothing to do with taxpayers, nor would I assume that because anyone pays tax they must share your views.

The management or availability of services isn’t dependent upon anyone being a taxpayer or not either. For example while I may have the right to claim I don’t want “my taxes” paying for the education of my neighbours children, or I don’t want “my taxes” paying for other people’s healthcare or accommodation or whatever else, it’s completely detached from the reality of how an economy functions or how the State functions and nobody is required to take such nonsense seriously.

The 14 people who were discovered in a container are entitled to avail of the same rights and protections which are given to all people who gain illegal entry into the State - depart voluntarily, or seek asylum. Those are their choices. In the meantime the State has an obligation to provide for them and it does so in accordance with established international protocols which distinguish this country from the shìtholes those people are trying to escape from that they take the kinds of enormous risks they do in order to make a better life for themselves elsewhere.

There’s nothing which prevents you or anyone else from doing the same. Nobody’s pissing down your neck, you’d actually know if they were, and people who don’t share your views have no interest whatsoever in collaborating with you.

Quod non erat demonstrandum?

Yes, seriously:

All on board the refrigerated trailer were understood to be in good health and once they were fully checked, they were brought by An Garda Síochána to CityWest in Dublin for “processing”.

A source confirmed that those on board the trailer were primarily Kurdish nationals and, following medical examinations, they were brought to the nearest processing centre.

"There’s very little involvement locally,” the source said. “We just bring them on to the nearest processing centre, which I believe is CityWest in Dublin. From there, the initial processing of their details and documents will be carried out before they are taken to an accommodation centre and a decision will be made around whether they apply for political asylum.”

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rosslare-migrants-forced-to-cut-hole-in-container-as-they-struggled-to-breathe-human-trafficking-investigation-launched/a1940424559.html

It’s not a stretch for me to claim? I even cited the relevant bits of the article for you. They were taken to Citywest for initial processing, and from there they go to an accommodation centre where a decision will be made around whether they apply for political asylum. There’s no evidence they have applied for asylum, and given they intended to enter the UK illegally, it’s just not reasonable to assume they’ll apply for asylum here. They never intended on being here in the first place.

Here's the thing, we know these 14 came straight outta Belgium, we send them back to Belgium. No ifs buts or ands. They at least belong in Belgium - its up to the Belgian authorities to deal however they see fit thereafter.

ALL stowaways and passport shredders should face instant return. Back to where the flight or the ferry originated from. Immediate dismissal, and I would add that they be added to a database and permanently banned from ever entering Ireland again.

Yeah, and if Belgium take the same approach then they will say these guys have come from Ireland so stick them on the next Ryanair flight back to Dublin. Do you see the problem here? If everyone takes the same approach it's refugee ping pong. The receiving country needs to actually be willing to accept them and this is not always easy to do. What do you imagine the likeminded chaps on Belgium Boards would say? "Ireland's problem, we have enough of them"?

By all means man, vote for a party who promises to just boot all these people out every single time and who will somehow manage to strong arm the rest of Europe into just sucking that up. If anything, the one satisfaction from it would be watching them try to navigate the complexities they like to pretend don't exist.

The EU Migration and Asylum Pact 2023, which is likely to come into effect this year, is ramping up identification protocols for asylum seekers and refugees which will include each individual having facial and fingerprint information taken to improve the ability of states to identify people and track their history of movement between states.

Because the premise of the argument relies on the idea that the Dublin Regulations don’t exist, so they come here from Belgium, we send them back, Belgium sends them back here because as far as the Belgian authorities are concerned - they came to Belgium from here, they’re no longer Belgiums responsibly, and so the two countries go back and forth. Meanwhile the 14 have applied for asylum in the UK 😂

Belgium cannot send them back. They ILLEGALLY boarded a truck bound for Ireland that is proven to originate from a Belgian port. If the Belgians are not able to track how they originally got to Belgium then that's their tough cookie.

Has Ireland signed on for this yet - I don't think we have, and I don't think we should either.

Belgium would have to accept the request to take charge of these asylum seekers. This is part of the reason why most such requests under Dublin Regulations fail.

I'm also not sure why you think that Ireland shouldn't sign up to a Pact that is aimed at strengthening the control of the EU's external borders and to foster bloc-wide co-operation on the matter for fairer burden sharing.

The two things go hand in hand — better cooperation across all the EU member states means a more effective process for rejecting and deporting unsuccessful asylum applications instead of it being a limbo situation which it is currently. It means we can operate more effectively and start rowing in unison with countries like Greece and Italy rather than against eachother. The current situation is not fit for crisis management.

@Boggles Deport them immediately” is neither feasible, realistic, nor effective, and it still wouldn’t stop them making subsequent attempts to enter the UK and remain there illegally....

Once they get deported it's not our problem anymore,let the UK send them to Rwanda

I have to admit I burst out laughing reading the story on the.news. what a fupping racket🥴

Are all the bleeding hearts on here willing to take one each?

Somehow I don't think so.

We can't keep taking in every person that rocka up in a boat/container. We know we can't but is anyone going to or able to do anything about it?

No to that too.

It is understood that at least eight of the individuals are now “missing” following their transfer to an asylum centre in Dublin.

Senior sources have told the Irish Independent that they are not being sought by gardaí as they are not under criminal investigation.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/at-least-eight-of-14-migrants-found-in-rosslare-shipping-container-missing-after-fleeing-state-services/a1708436895.html

I'd expect a particular minister to tell us they self deported themselves Nothing to see here folks

Legals costs come from us via free legal aid

Just under €6,000 a pop. Expensive, but worth it.

Also, from the article linked - which highlights that we are perfectly entitled to return migrants.

They don’t come from us though? Legal costs are provided for by public funding.

The public aren’t expected to contribute a cent to anyone’s legal costs either other than our own, and even if we do require legal aid, it’s still not free, to anyone.

It’s not free to asylum seekers, and I’m not the one playing word games. I’m just not willing to entertain yours lest anyone be given the wrong impression that there’s any legitimacy whatsoever to what you’re saying:

Means Test & contributions

To qualify for legal services, your income (less certain allowances) must be less than €18,000 per annum. 

Applicants for asylum services will pay a contribution of €10 in total for legal advice and legal in relation to a case before the IPO or the IPAT. An additional contribution would be payable for legal aid in any other matter such as a case before the High Court.

If you have capital resources of more than €4,000 (excluding your home) you may have to pay an additional contribution. 

If you are receiving direct provision from the State (i.e. accommodation and meals provided directly instead of social welfare payments) you may apply to have some of your contribution waived, at the discretion of the Legal Aid Board. 

https://www.legalaidboard.ie/en/our-services/legal-aid-services/services-for-international-protection-applicants/services/general-information/legal-services.html