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    #3812
    thesandeman
    Registered Users Posts: 10,414 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121595877#Comment_121595877

    Something similar with us.

    The supermarket (Five Star) used to put the empties in crates and throw them outside the back door.

    The same Lucozade bottles were recycled about six times a day 😂.



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    #3813
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    A question about Kinnegar - have they changed brewers, or recipes, recently?

    I was never a big fan - I always found their beers were too carbonated, or something? But I was out for dinner last weekend and choice of beer was limited. Didn't fancy anything from that English lad, Conor McGregor's brewery, so ordered a Scraggy Bay (bottled in mid December), and my god, it was delicious! First 5-star rating of the year. Went to the pub after, where I had another pint (on draft) that wasn't quite as good, but was still lovely.



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    #3814
    irish_goat
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    No change of personnel as far as I know and Rick would still be in charge of output regardless. The recipes would change slightly over time to adjust for the variation in raw ingredients from batch to batch, but with the aim of keeping the flavour consistent rather than "improvement".

    I'm having a Scraggy right now and it's tasting as good as ever to me.



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    #3815
    BeerNut
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    I heard a rumour that The Porterhouse may be seeking an alternative contracting brewery (or two) to replace Mr McGregor's, and that Kinnegar may be in the frame.

    Scraggy hasn't changed, but it does vary with freshness, for obvious reasons, and isn't well kept everywhere it's sold. Rustbucket even moreso. Always ask for a taster, kids.

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    #3816
    tom traubert
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭tom traubert


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    Speaking of Kinnegar, never seen it priced as keenly anywhere before.

    Canned in Oct. and Nov. BB dates in Jun and Jul.

    Fans and the curious might be tempted.



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    #3817
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596147#Comment_121596147

    I haven't had it for a while (pains me to say it somewhat but Guinness 0.0 my regular n/a option now), but I always thought the Roadworks "Early Start" was decent enough - particularly at it's price point.



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    #3818
    Pen Rua
    Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Pen Rua


    Speaking of Kinnegar. Mightily impressed by their BAP 37, a low alcohol (1%) IPA.



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    #3819
    Beanstalk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Beanstalk


    ^^ Its really good I'm really enjoying it too!

    Regarding Scraggy Bay, it hasn't really changed at all but our palates are probably more used to hazy tropical forward IPAS and so every time i go back to it i'm pleasantly surpised by both the clarity and the resinous hops and the bitterness.



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    #3820
    Pen Rua
    Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Pen Rua



    Lacanda ceasing supplies to Ireland due to the deposit return scheme


    https://x.com/lacadabrew/status/1745495076548059520?s=46&t=wyBQBLlE_5FkH__21DnApg



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    #3821
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,764 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603798#Comment_121603798

    I have to query whether the shipping they're mentioning as stopping - posting across the border - was ever legal in terms of Revenue to begin with.



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    #3822
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,812 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Between that and the health warnings to come, it's bad news for brewers / importers / drinkers! of more unusual or exotic brews. ☹️

    Really all of this sort of thing (if it needs to be done at all) should be harmonised across the EU so the same product can be sold everywhere.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3823
    Twee.
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    Expect to see a lot less imports on shelf sadly! Core lines will most likely be updated but given that barcodes need to registered six weeks (!) before landing on shelf, breweries won't bother with registering specials and then they won't be available to local importers/distributors.

    There is allowance for stock to be stickered for a limited time but this must be approved by DRS and the stickers purchased from them, so likely that would mean they would have to be applied in Ireland when stock is landed. The distro will have to charge for this job, it's time consuming and tedious, again off putting for the breweries.



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    #3824
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is it a unique barcode for each label or is it just a generic sticker ?



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    #3825
    Twee.
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    It's a sticker of the Re-Turn logo from what I understand, I haven't seen guidelines to say the sticker is anything else. So I suppose you could register and not sticker and see where it lands you. On the product reg form you need to select whether the logo in on the label or not, again you could fudge that I suppose. There are "administrative charges" is reports are filed incorrectly though.



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    #3826
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121605768#Comment_121605768

    The reason I was wondering is for breweries like the NI ones they could just put the sticker on all their labels even if not going to ROI. If they are not selling direct would it not be the off licence that then has to do all the 15c stuff.

    And how does on sale work. Who pays and collects when the customer isn't taking the can home ?



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    #3827
    Pen Rua
    Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Pen Rua


    I'm trying to understand Lacanda's comments around the cost effectiveness of the DRS. My initial thought was: surely adding a small logo on the label (when you have to create a bespoke label for a new beer anyhow) wouldn't be too much hassle.

    Looking at the Re-Turn website, and the "Producer" section, which I understand to be the breweries we are talking about here there is this document: https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Producer-Fees-Updated-September-2023-2.pdf

    On p5, it seems to suggest a brewery has to pay €500 (minimum) per year to be part of the scheme. So if an English brewery wants to export to Ireland, they have to pay €500 (minimum) to be part of the Re-Turn programme, which itself is a prerequsite to operating in Ireland now, it is not optional.

    p4 outlines that each product needs a unique ROI only barcode, which I assume would cause havoc on internal systems re stock management, generating barcodes etc... Another document (https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Re-turn-Tech-Spec-Update-19-April-2023-Doc-%E2%80%93-Oct-2022_v8.pdf) refers to a surcharge for retaining an existing international barcode.

    I'm not clear on the content of p4 where it mentions €0.125 per aluminum / steel container. Does this mean the brewery has to pay Re-Turn €0.125 per can as part of the scheme?



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    #3828
    Twee.
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    Irish Brewery sells to distributor and charges 15c per can.

    Distributor sells to retailer and charges 15c per can.

    Retailer sells to consumer and charges 15c per can.

    Brewery, distributor and retailer invoice Re-Turn and somehow everyone gets their 15c back. Consumers get it back at point of return.

    In the case of direct to consumer, the brewery will have to invoice themselves for the deposit on stock they sell on their online store.

    Just over 1c per can for every can placed on the market, as PenRua mentioned there, plus the €500 annual fee. This was meant to be €100 per registration but thankfully industry pressure got that changed.

    There's so much management & invoicing involved in the scheme plus mandatory monthly forecasting and reporting.



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    #3829
    Pen Rua
    Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Pen Rua


    Do we know how different (or, how-not-different) the Irish deposit return scheme is compared to European equivalents? Clearly they work fine in Germany, Belgium etc etc but is that just down to scale there? Or, do the system / costs differ?



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    #3830
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,764 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121606295#Comment_121606295

    The variety of product on sale in German supermarkets is often a lot smaller (and nearly entirely domestic at that) compared to here, but the markets also much bigger.

    On existing beer packaging you can often see that specific countries are grouped together, e.g. we often get stock with Swedish, Dutch and Norwegian deposit logos, but I've never seen Danish ones, or the German thing of saying there is a deposit (their logo is PET only I think) The few Irish ones I've seen leak out so far also have that same combo.



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    #3831
    thesandeman
    Registered Users Posts: 10,414 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I notice Karpachie have a brand new colourful can design. Bad timing you would think of they have to change it again in a few weeks.

    Unless they already have the return label on them. I couldn't see as they're in a 4 pack.



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    #3832
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Yeah, and you'll often see "The Surgeon General says you shouldn't drink" on beers, they just use the one label for the US and for export to Ireland.



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    #3833
    youcancallmeal
    Registered Users Posts: 8,019 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Maybe I don't understand the scheme fully but would this cause Irish brewers to prefer to use bottles for specials from now on? Is bottling more expensive than canning?



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    #3834
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,764 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121611550#Comment_121611550

    Empty bottles cost more than empty cans, and are heavier to ship. This is why breweries went to can - some years ago the only Irish brewery doing cans was Metalman - but some are already saying they will do short runs / specials in bottle instead.

    I expect bottles to be added to the scheme at some point though.



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    #3835
    Twee.
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    Totally different packaging line too, the mobile bottlers will be busy! Unless people have both a canner and a bottler but most would have either or.

    Multipacks where the items are not individually barcoded will be exempt so prices there should stay the same and not be pushing one type of packaging over the other.



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    #3836
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    All in all it seems to be yet another example of good intentions, terribly implemented, because only the big stakeholders (read: donors) were consulted. And it'll be marketed as an amazing victory for the green lobby. Even though most people that had separate recycling would have recycled cans anyway, cos why wouldn't you?



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    #3837
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121617701#Comment_121617701

    That's my read on it too.

    But any mention of descent seems to get shouted down with "it works fine in Germany" on the other discussions about on Boards.

    Interesting that multipacks are exempt. Between them and bottles that's most of the sales of the macro breweries covered.



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    #3838
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Yup. Define "multipack". Is a slab of 20 cans a multipack? Could it be said this exemption serves to encourage binge drinking? 😀



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    #3839
    Twee.
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121617734#Comment_121617734

    Yep, most interesting. Have a look at page 13 here to see the leadership and governance and draw your own conclusions.


    EDIT forgot the link https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/NI-Wholesaler-Presentation-13th-September-2023.pdf



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    #3840
    Blisterman
    Registered Users Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    Does anyone know how this will work in bars and restaurants? If a drink is poured from a can into a glass? Does the customer still pay the deposit?

    What if you're getting a glass of red lemonade from a 2l bottle? Where is the deposit paid then?



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    #3841
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121618248#Comment_121618248

    Their cans would be delivered via multipack.

    Breweries selling their own might be the only exception but I suppose they could always deliver a "multi pack" to themselves.



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