Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

They work bloody hard to earn that money - it includes overtime and antisocial hours allowances. These hours take a toll on personal and family life.

But with all that cash they should have no problem recruiting and retaining Gardai, right?

What is it exactly that you hope to achieve by posting continual rubbish in this thread?

Thanks, was not aware of that at all.

Clueless jibber jabber.

Im sure there are many roles in the private sector that are a faster pace than some roles in the PS. Likewise there are many PS roles that are faster pace in than the private sector.

The underlying assumption that’s been force fed into Independent Newspaper readers is that 100% of the private sector work at 100% capacity 100% of the time. Simply not true and even putting forward the argument in the way you have is so lazy and ridiculous.

By way of example, in my last role, some of the big solicitor firms would try and poach our staff offering huge pay increases to leave and join them. A couple did including one of worst performers… who was seen as a superstar there. I’m not going to draw conclusions from that one example to slate all private sector though.

Work to rule is pointless, it ain’t gonna happen. It’ll be one day strikes.

Apologies, I misconstrued your original post.

Nice overreaction though.

Well any small chance I had of voting ff or fg Is 100% out the window after hearing pascal on newstalk tonight practically goating us in action and trying to spin it like he's not being tight.

8.5, call it 9.5 with more in 2024 and you have a deal

Very surprised that the Govt opening gambit was as high as 8.5% over 2.5 years.

Even more surprised that the Unions told them to bolt so strongly… actually delighted they did.

There are major issues in relation to recruitment and retention in the PS and in the CS where I work. This is a major issue, especially in major urban areas where I just don’t know how COs can afford to live. There are major structural problems within the CS that need to be fixed but even bigger problems elsewhere in the PS such as healthcare which is in an almighty mess and where recruitment is impossible in many areas.

This might be the last one size fits all pay agreement as certain sectors need far more attention in relation to recruitment and retention and may need to be targeted appropriately.

Back to pay - go into double digits and reduce agreement to two years, front load a pay increase of 7% from 1st Jan just gone with the remaining paid on 1st Jan 2025 and everyone’s happy.

The pay offer for 2024 from the government is 3.5% to come in OCTOBER. I don't know about you but the last time I checked the calendar years begin in January, and not October. They have raked in cash in government coffers due to inflation to the point of boasting of how overflowing the coffers are and yet mysteriously believe that inflation should not apply to the state regarding employing its workers.

Let's make one thing clear. A 3.5% increase coming in October is an overall increase of 0.875% for the entirety of 2024.

This is a disgraceful offer and, on that basis alone, the entire deal cannot be accepted unless that offer comes from January 1st and is backdated and that'd be an absolute minimum for 2024.

Also, of course, FF/FG want to give the 3.5% in October as close as possible to the general election even though it's a paltry amount.