Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

I also attended the meeting last night in the Royal Marine. The noisy crowd were those in favour of the proposal.

That’s because they were in an echo chamber. people who support it had no interest in attending

24 years. Its been an issue since main street improvement scheme was designed and built in 2000/01.

It has twice been pedestrianised, for different durations, and twice reopened again.

In fact, one of the biggest complaints I hear is about the lack of consistency and strategic planning by the Council on this matter over the last almost 30 years.

They have tinkered and toyed and experimented, and it is the business and community life of the town that suffer as a result.

Yes, I am living in the area and I have experienced the increased congestion over the years. But I think you're blaming the wrong thing for this increase.

The population of Ireland has gone from 3.6m in in 1993 to 5.1m in 2023. These people have to be housed somewhere and I would suggest that there are less apartments being built in the area compared to other areas, due to the cost and availability of land. Car ownership has also doubled over the same period and the cars are getting bigger. This is where the congestion is coming from. More people, more cars.

I do agree that the incompetence exhibited by our Council has at times been mind numbing. The "baths" which you mention comes to mind. However the closure of streets, increased cycle lanes and improved public transport are attempts by local authorities to control the amount of private cars on the road, reduce congestion and improve quality of life.

Does anybody remember a poster on this board a few years ago, called Taxiperson? Have we a second coming???

Have you lodged your objection?

From the DLR website:

TRAVEL & TRANSPORT

Proposed Temporary Closure of N11 between its junction with Kill Lane (Foxrock Church) to on ramp R118 Cherrywood interchange Southbound and Northbound

03 January 2024 DLR COUNTY General News

Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council has received an application from Roadstone, Fortunestown, Belgard, Tallaght, Dublin 24 to temporarily close part of the N11 Stillorgan Road between its junction with Kill Lane (Foxrock Church) to on ramp R118 Cherrywood Interchange junction southbound and northbound from Monday 22nd January, 2024 to Sunday 30th June, 2024 between 19:30 hours to 05:00 hours each day.

A Traffic Management Plan will be in operation and pedestrian, local access and access for bus and emergency services will be maintained at all times. Diversion routes will be clearly signposted. 

The purpose of the closure is to allow for realignment of the traffic lanes.

Any interested parties may lodge an objection in writing with the Senior Engineer, Traffic Section, County Hall, Marine Road, Dún Laoghaire not later than noon on Wednesday 17th January, 2024 or email info@dlrcoco.ie. 

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Its only a continuation of the night work that was going on prior to Christmas.

Transport Infrastructure Ireland have a programmed maintenance life on Motorways and National Routes, ie they have to be resurfaced and repainted, about every decade.

In the work before Christmas they used the opportunity to increase bus approach and departure lanes and clean up some conflict points where cyclelanes meet bus stops, bus lanes, traffic lanes etc, in line with the updated urban road design manual.

Most of the dual carriageway stretch between Whites Cross and Loughlinstown still needs to be done, and obviously with nightworks it will take some months.

Article in this morning's Indo on "Living Streets". I can't access it, as it behind the paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/could-dun-laoghaire-make-living-streets-a-reality-with-pedestrianisation-plan-as-deadline-looms/a1891922516.html

Living Streets survey linked from here:

How to Make a Submission 

Submissions must be made within the display period, which runs from 2nd November 2023 to 14th December 2023 and has now been extended to 16th January 2024.

‘I’m watching the business die and my flowers die’, says Deansgrange florist as locals lose parking to cycle lane

How are people unable to get to her shop? There is still access, via a one-way system. It just some people, those coming from one direction, have a slightly longer journey to get to the shop.

Amazing to see the indignant resident who has realised that she doesn't have enough room in her front garden for her oversized tank. Maybe she should get a smaller car. Those houses all have rear access, with large gardens and garages at the back.

It is an interesting one. You would wonder if the residents had a choice again now would they accept the original one way southbound solution which would have retained their parking and given them a quieter road. I suppose we have no way of knowing who supported it and who didn't. One of the main and most vociferous objectors were Tiger Pizza now closed and long gone...

It won’t be all the displaced traffic.

the coast road is been changed so it’s one way from Glenageary. , much more people will use the coast road.

displaced traffic will be found on busses , DARTS, bikes etc.

others will use other routes

Blackrock to Dalkey , I’d go through Monkstown village , down to to Crofton road, back up marine road and straight down from George’s street.

even if I’m going from bluepool or going back and forth from Scoil Lorcáin on school run I’d avoid the farm as it’s a so slow. I’d go Mounttown road, then onto Glenageary Road

Its all pretty academic, as it seems, according to my sources that there are already 18 of the 40 Councillors who won't be voting in favour of 'living streets' in any circumstances. I would also be fairly certain of another 4 joining that number.

In fact, looking at it the other way, the number I can see as 100% definite Yes votes, is just 7.

And so only 3 out of 15 'in play' would be needed to kill it. I suspect it'll be much more. Probably of the order of 30/10 against.

Remember when you told us last year with absolute certainty that the roadworks in Fairview were going to cancelled and withdrawn within a few weeks?

I stand by my record. There's no cycle lane on Strand Road, and the compromise on the North Strand that was agreed under the table, was that the Guards would ignore private traffic using the one remaining inbound lane, and spare Ballybough from being unnecessarily inundated.

Anyway, the numbers are in on the Living Streets thing, over 7,000 submissions made, and the plan is for the Council to vote 'No' in March.😉

You didn't tell us that there was going to be a compromise. You told us with absolute certainty that the major water infrastructure project was going to be pulled out of Fairview because a few lads were stuck in traffic. Which of course, didn't happen.

Nice try though, an 'under the table' deal that conveniently can't be verified!

Since when did non-enforcement of any bus lane require a 'deal' with AGS? What 'under the table' deal was done with AGS to not enforce the bus lane at Conyngham Road?

Amazing video.

Does highlight the reason why many drivers wouldnt bother getting out of their cars and use PT.

Good thing Tiger Pizza closed before works started or it'd be used as the poster boy for the naysayers

Another twenty min walk in Stillorgan to where? Carysfort?? You could walk to Blackrock in 20 mins from Stillorgan!