The new recycling system

Sure

Glass - glass recycling bin

Aluminium cans and plastic bottles sized between 150ml to 3L - reverse vending machines or recycling bin

Other recycling - recycling bin

Food waste, coffee grounds and paper - Compost bin

Everything else - General waste

Do we have any source of the revenue model at all?

We know the scheme pays for itself - but what goes to gov and what goes to re-turn. I'd assume that is public information.

This is all I can see:

) The costs of operating a scheme shall be recouped from –

(i) registration fees set by an approved body,

(ii) producer fees set by an approved body on the basis of

quantity and material type placed on the market,

(iii) unredeemed deposits as provided for in these Regulations,

(iv) revenue derived from the sale of returned in-scope bottles

and containers,

(v) any other income source created by an approved body.

From: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2021/si/599/made/en/pdf

That appears to be 100% to the private company then.

Its a discussion thread, but to answer your question, if you had a source - which should be available to the public by right, it would disprove Boggles claim. The absence of assurances leaves room to wonder where the vast amounts of money will go considering we recycle so little(according to the figures touted by Re-Turn, the figures that the public has no control over.).

I replied to you as I thought you may know, genuinely curious.

Yeah that's all I want to find out - Boggles made a tongue and cheek claim but you or I have no idea if its correct or not, it raises a very valid question - surly there should be a document somewhere in the public domain that outlines this - surly the one I linked cant be the only one which would mean that all the "Profit" goes to a private entity and none goes to further green schemes.

Page 19 of the Lidl leaflet this week.

A short explanation of Return and they will sell you a handy bag to hold your bottles and cans.

Every container individually.

So on a 12 multi pack of cans of coke let’s say that’s adds 1.80. Then you have to bring the container back in perfect condition whereas with the green bin just throw it in , any condition plus no travel with the used can or bottle. Interesting to see how this will pan out.

Can a person return an item not bought by them , and still get a refund ?

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I really don’t see how this scheme will significantly improve our can recycling rate. If someone is out and about and finishes a can, they are unlikely to bring it home given the risk of residue leaking out or damaging it. It will just be fired into a bin, rather than searching for the nearest RVM or retailer that accepts them to get their 15c back.

Of course you might have someone go through the bins to retrieve cans, but the requirement for a can to be undamaged to get the deposit back will reduce the success rate.

Those currently using their recycling bin for cans will now have a number of additional steps:

ensure the cans remain in good condition,

store them somewhere,

bring them to their nearest RVM or retailer,

likely have to queue for the RVM or come back again when it’s quiet,

if using a RVM take the time to put each can individually into the machine and wait for it to be scanned, repeating the process as required,

receive a voucher, to be used as part of your shop or queue to get your refund.

I can’t see how that can be considered convenient for the consumer compared to putting it straight in the recycle bin. The process appears to make it more convenient for the recycling company.

I have just found this thread so apologies if this has been asked before:

What refuse collection company collects Your recyclables free?

If you continue to put cans and plastic bottles in the bags the cost will mount up.

You might do better if you change to bigger plastic bottles instead of cans and use more glass bottles where possible.

The deposit is lower on a 2 liter bottle than on 6 cans and you can recycle glass for free as you are currently doing.

Out of interest why would you want to find a RVM for cans that dont qualify for a refund? Why not leave them in your recycling bin or, if you dont have one, bring them to your local recycling centre. The only reason Id use a RVM is if its financially worthwhile to do so

Thorntons only bill me on the weight of that black bin.

From memory the service charge for having the bin includes 20kg a month which is well over what I need. No lift charge on any of the three.

So yes, but actually no, because the service charge isn't zero. It's roughly the same with inflation as it always has been even when it was just black bin

If it goes up beyond inflation next time we'll know how much money they made from selling on aluminium and PET.