Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well that is completely incorrect.

It is perfectly possible (and most would say more normal and usual) for external parties to be against both sides in a conflict continuing.....That's why the UN was set up etc.

Saying to one party "ah will ya calm down killing them other lads" is not the same as saying "die die you scum. We're going to kill all of you".

And, at the risk of blowing your mind, just to let you know that even though you've made it clear that you don't want any "Jews" to be killed, it would be actually possible for you to simultaneously not want any Muslims or Christians or whatever to be killed too!

I didn't say they were?

i was answering another poster who said Hamas should be brought to the ICJ.

Actually, I would probably have been closer to the mark using "countries".

I actually wasn't being pedantic. Just stating what cases the ICJ entertains. They certainly would not hear a case against a terrorist organisation.

Let me help any poster who doesn't know what the ICJ is or does (this was previously posted):

The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice; CIJ), also called the World Court,[1] is one of the six principal organs of the United Nations (UN).[2] It settles disputes between states in accordance with international law and gives advisory opinions on international legal issues. The ICJ is the only international court that adjudicates general disputes between countries, with its rulings and opinions serving as primary sources of international law (subject to Article 59 of the Statute of the International Court of Justice).

In that case, fair enough, I agree.

It's surprising how often posters do treat Hamas as "just" another terror group, in terms of not expecting them to obey international law while accusing Israel of, eh, not respecting international law. The fact that they run a state and therefore have access to funds, run a police force etc IMO makes a difference to what can/should be expected of them.

I cant speak for others but I have stated here before that Hamas should be neutralised and any combatants found to have committed crimes prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I include the IDF in that statement too.

I'm not a lawyer but I'd expect any arrested combatant (both sides) in this conflict to be prosecuted in Israel. Whether that's a criminal court or military court, I don't know. But if found guilty, the maximum allowable sentence should be handed down.

There may be two "sides" but there are also combatants and civilians.

If Israel and Hamas wanted to go and kick the living beejaysus out of each other in the desert, that'd be grand.

But for both Israel and Gaza civilians, they are paying a price. In the case of Gaza, an unacceptable and unprecedented price since the last Great War.

As ever, your stance is crystal clear. You are happy to watch the genocide of Gaza continue unabated as long as the Jews are not driven into the sea.

Don't mind the civilians in Gaza, don't mind the 25% of Israelis who are not Jews.

So yes, the problem in your mind is simple. We see it clearly.

You know the rest of civilised society is fed up with the Israeli narrative about Jews and their persecution. It's had it's day, history in the dusty and dirty pages of the past.

In the current world we live, Israel is entirely the author of it's own misfortune.

Britain had no right to sell Palestine to the Jews thus granting an entitlement based on lineage. Would you think it right if France sold Dublin to the Germans and Germans from all over the world came to displace Dubliners and bung them in refugee camps in the Isle of Man?

Your alternative is accept invasion? The strongest at the time wins, might is right and shut up and take it?

The Romans invaded Britain but at least they were sporting about the arrangement, they didn't sell Wales to the Eskimo's and let them fill the place with igloos.

I don't believe the British sold Palestine to the Jews. But then your sources would presumably be better than mine if you'd like to share them?

I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.

Israel defending themselves

Netanyahu fears losing the ICJ case? Quote is accurate btw - widely reported from a TV address he made this evening.

Exactly. Who could blame the Irish for defending the land they lived on for many generations and trying to repel the "strangers".

I don't think the Palestinians voted for the British and international law is still being broken by Jewish settlers with no repercussions as they engage in continual Israeli expansion.

Without law, there is terrorism or as the more sympathetic to the situation like to think "freedom fighting".

One is a simple soul, I can see things easily from a Palestinian position. You see I am on the families land right now, even though I was born in and grew up in England. It isn't much, it has a house and a fragmented farm. Fragmented I am told because the English Landlord did not want to give my Irish ancestors their land back in the easiest most economically farmed form.

So I know what my family went through, those that emigrated, those that were made homeless and left to the charity of relatives. It provides a bit of empathy with people thrown out of their homes, off their land and given no legal rights to appeal.

They might be a different religion, a different culture, but they are no less human than myself and therefore I want justice for them too. Bombing the crap out of people is not justice.

You clearly see children as Hamas

What land has Israel stolen in Gaza?

The rest of the post is romantic rubbish, plenty of us grew up in England and 200 years ago our families had more.

there no excuse for terrorism

It certainly would suggest that he fears Israel losing the case. Why would he ridicule the ICJ if he felt confident of winning?

I've heard some legal experts saying an interim judgement against Israel would be profoundly significant. It would mean any country continuing to provide military support to Israel after the ruling would be a party to genocide and in clear breach of the ICJ ruling.